RE: Serious Problems with Atheism
January 17, 2017 at 11:58 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2017 at 12:03 am by Angrboda.)
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: Why do atheists constantly use words like religion is evil, atheism good, when these terms are meaningless in a Godless Universe?
These terms aren't meaningless in a Godless universe. The error is in your assumption that atheism implies nihilism. It does not.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 2) If you were really an atheist, you would realize that we are ALL just rearranged pond scum and life is just a set of random Meaningless events in a random Meaningless Universe.
So as an atheist, why try so hard "Meaningfully" explaining that in this utterly Meaningless Universe there's no deity?
If I were really an atheist, hmm? You seem invested in attributing nihilism to atheists. The two are not synonymous. Why try so hard to explain that there's no deity? Because we believe it's the truth, and many atheists find embracing and promoting the truth to be meaningful.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: a) Possible responses maybe; Religion is dangerous and threatens our survival; BUT in a Godless Universe, why is humanity's survival better than extinction? If humans nuke one another out of existence, what difference will that make to the Universe??
I'll let the Universe answer for itself. Oh wait, it can't, because it doesn't have a point of view on the question. It has no point of view, period. However if you ask the question of most living humans, theist and atheist, it matters a great deal. We value our existence and that of others of our kind. Is that so hard to understand. By the way, what does the existence of a god add to the meaning of our own self caused extinction. Will he/it be sad that humanity died. How does that matter to you?
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 3) Atheism; The Universe Caused itself, no First Cause needed; this requires blind faith and is counter-intuitive; very much the same as what atheists accuse religious people of, seems hypocritical doesn't it??
All answers as to the origin of the universe seem equally absurd. Pulling the idea of a non-contingent being out of thin air doesn't change that.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 4) The Big Bang Theory is Full of Fudge factors that are an embarrassment to Cosmologists many of whom admit the theory is popular because it is well funded, but how is that an objective search for truth?
Are you trying to imply that you don't believe the big bang theory? What exactly do you believe about the origins of the universe?
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 5) Atheistic science these days is so Dogmatically wedded to Materialism, it cannot even begin to tell us what Consciousness is, the most basic principle of human existence. Doesn't it seem hypocritical that Atheism is so dogmatic?
Are you anti-science? There is no such thing as "Atheistic science." There is science, and there is everything else. Science is wedded to methodological naturalism, which is the fundamental reality that science can only investigate natural causes and effects. Are you suggesting that something else should be the case?
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 6) And BTW atheism has led to some pretty strange philosophies, like that of the Church of Euthanasia; Save the Planet, Kill Yourself! How can Atheists counter such "logic"?
If these philosophies are rooted in error, the atheist would counter them the same way that anyone else would: with reason and facts. What kind of absurd poisoning the well is this?
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: As a Christian I have experienced that no Atheist on earth has any convincing arguments to these most basic questions which I believe only the Christian religion can answer.
That much I'll accept. You seem rather closed minded. I don't doubt you find atheist answers unconvincing and Christian ones compelling. Duh.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: I'll be honest, believing in Atheism would be so much easier in life because you can do whatever you want and think there is no consequences, but Ahteism seems so incredibly counter intuitive, that to even begin to take it seriously, one has to suspend all logic.
This suggests to me that you haven't seriously considered what real atheists have to say. It makes your bold claim that, "no Atheist on earth," has any answers to your questions sound like a hollow exaggeration.
Btw, "Meaningless," "Universe," "Atheism," and "Atheist" do not need to be capitalized as they are not proper nouns. Capitalizing them is very common among people who oppose atheists and atheism on ideological rather than factual grounds. Let's hope you're not one of them.
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