RE: Serious Problems with Atheism
January 18, 2017 at 5:48 am
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2017 at 5:54 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: There are some very serious problems for atheists to consider;
1) R. Dawkins wrote the Universe has "no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." Dawkins, R., River out of Eden, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London, p. 133, 1995.
Why do atheists constantly use words like religion is evil, atheism good, when these terms are meaningless in a Godless Universe?
"Good" and "evil" aren't meaningless in a godless universe, they're relative.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 2) If you were really an atheist, you would realize that we are ALL just rearranged pond scum and life is just a set of random Meaningless events in a random Meaningless Universe.
So as an atheist, why try so hard "Meaningfully" explaining that in this utterly Meaningless Universe there's no deity?
The only reason why I bother anyone else at all about my atheism is when they try to change the laws to comport with their particular religion.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: a) Possible responses maybe; Religion is dangerous and threatens our survival; BUT in a Godless Universe, why is humanity's survival better than extinction? If humans nuke one another out of existence, what difference will that make to the Universe??
That's the only "other side of the hill" response you could think of? Are you really unable to conceive any other objections to religion?
As for why humanity surviving is better than extinction, I'm not sure. Better for whom? Individuals? Certainly. The species? Perhaps, in the abstract. The other flora and fauna on the planet? Not bloody likely. And if humans go extinct, the universe won't care at all.
You sure do like your hidden premises.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 3) Atheism; The Universe Caused itself, no First Cause needed; this requires blind faith and is counter-intuitive; very much the same as what atheists accuse religious people of, seems hypocritical doesn't it??
Religionism: God caused itself, no first cause, but if you say the same thing about the Universe you're flawed.
Religionism: Misstating a hypothesis as fact, accusing the hypothesizer of claiming certain knowledge of the "unknowable" and then asserting that "God works in mysterious ways".
Now, would you like to discuss hypocrisy for a moment?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 4) The Big Bang Theory is Full of Fudge factors that are an embarrassment to Cosmologists many of whom admit the theory is popular because it is well funded, but how is that an objective search for truth?
[Citation needed]
[Bolding added -- Thump]
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 5) Atheistic science these days is so Dogmatically wedded to Materialism, it cannot even begin to tell us what Consciousness is, the most basic principle of human existence. Doesn't it seem hypocritical that Atheism is so dogmatic?
It actually does tell us what consciousness is. Anyone who's read a little would know that.
Also, you need to support your accusation of "dogmatism", and tie the "atheist" and "science" parts together more convincingly.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: 6) And BTW atheism has led to some pretty strange philosophies, like that of the Church of Euthanasia; Save the Planet, Kill Yourself! How can Atheists counter such "logic"?
False accusations won't garner you much traction here.
Do you often masturbate in public?
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: As a Christian I have experienced that no Atheist on earth has any convincing arguments to these most basic questions which I believe only the Christian religion can answer. I'll be honest, believing in Atheism would be so much easier in life because you can do whatever you want and think there is no consequences, but Ahteism seems so incredibly counter intuitive, that to even begin to take it seriously, one has to suspend all logic.
As a Christian, you in particular don't seemed to have even started to question your own premises enough to tell anyone else what is or isn't convincing.
(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: Thoughts?
(Again please keep it friendly, Ive had too much abuse from atheists already just for asking simple questions, and that just seems further proof to me Atheism is a delusion).
My thoughts? You're a thoughtless person who has yet to escape his social programming, a spoon-fed sheep led by a false shepherd who has just enough energy to bleat his ill-formed thoughts publicly, but not enough brains to formulate his own thinking on the matter yet.
Also, trying to poison the well is duly noticed.
Hope that's kind enough for you, and if not, my only question is, pineapple or cactus?