(January 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Pulse Wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to present some points for atheists to consider and I trust the exchanges will be thoughtful and friendly.
There are some very serious problems for atheists to consider;
1) R. Dawkins wrote the Universe has "no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." Dawkins, R., River out of Eden, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London, p. 133, 1995.
Why do atheists constantly use words like religion is evil, atheism good, when these terms are meaningless in a Godless Universe?
2) If you were really an atheist, you would realize that we are ALL just rearranged pond scum and life is just a set of random Meaningless events in a random Meaningless Universe.
So as an atheist, why try so hard "Meaningfully" explaining that in this utterly Meaningless Universe there's no deity?
a) Possible responses maybe; Religion is dangerous and threatens our survival; BUT in a Godless Universe, why is humanity's survival better than extinction? If humans nuke one another out of existence, what difference will that make to the Universe??
3) Atheism; The Universe Caused itself, no First Cause needed; this requires blind faith and is counter-intuitive; very much the same as what atheists accuse religious people of, seems hypocritical doesn't it??
4) The Big Bang Theory is Full of Fudge factors that are an embarrassment to Cosmologists many of whom admit the theory is popular because it is well funded, but how is that an objective search for truth?
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5) Atheistic science these days is so Dogmatically wedded to Materialism, it cannot even begin to tell us what Consciousness is, the most basic principle of human existence. Doesn't it seem hypocritical that Atheism is so dogmatic?
6) And BTW atheism has led to some pretty strange philosophies, like that of the Church of Euthanasia; Save the Planet, Kill Yourself! How can Atheists counter such "logic"?
As a Christian I have experienced that no Atheist on earth has any convincing arguments to these most basic questions which I believe only the Christian religion can answer. I'll be honest, believing in Atheism would be so much easier in life because you can do whatever you want and think there is no consequences, but Ahteism seems so incredibly counter intuitive, that to even begin to take it seriously, one has to suspend all logic.
Thoughts?
(Again please keep it friendly, Ive had too much abuse from atheists already just for asking simple questions, and that just seems further proof to me Atheism is a delusion).
1. These terms may be meaningless in the cosmic sense that Dawkins uses, but they take on plenty meaning in the world of human interactions. Just because the universe itself has no interest in our well-being doesn’t mean we can’t care about one another.
2. As an atheist I don’t have to believe what you think atheist is supposed to mean. That is a strawman that you set up in your mind because you think it’s easier to knock down than the reality you’d find if you talked to real atheists rather than your ignorant Sunday school teacher.
3. No that doesn’t require blind faith. It requires understanding that if everything needs a cause then there can be no first cause. By creating a first cause, you deny that everything needs a cause. Because matter cannot be created or destroyed but transformed from matter to energy and back again, there is no infinite regression of causes, only an infinite chain of events.
4. If you don’t feel embarrassed about believing a book that says god created the grass and the trees before he created the sun and the moon, then you are not the right person to tell cosmologist what they should find embarrassing.
5. I recognize no dogma in atheism. In fact when I came in here talking orthodox atheism, they soundly kicked my ass. So don’t you even try.
6. Atheism means not believing in god. Nothing else. I don’t answer for people who believe in euthanasia any more than you answer for the KKK using the cress as a symbol of terrorism
Your silly, uninformed questions make it clear you have no idea what atheism is, so I doubt very seriously you’ve talked to every atheist on the planet.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.