Serious Problems with Atheism

[Mister Agenda]

You don't even get to first base, do you.  Religion (all religions, not just yours) is merely bullshit.  Religious people can be - and the higher up they go in the chain the more frequently they are - miserable sons of bitches.  As the saying goes "no one has ever been stoned to death by atheists."

Well if we want to look at the moral argument, when people blame religion for bombings and wars in general, they seem to ignore the tragic history of the 20th century, which saw more deaths from acts of violence and oppression than all previous centuries put together. These were systematically inflicted on millions of people by their own governments. Names like Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot have become infamous, all atheists. So to say that atheism is this harmless belief system, is very flawed indeed.

Of those, I would only agree that Stalin was an atheist (though he went to Catholic school). Mao referred to being 'called home to the great God' and Pol Pot referenced 'the will of heaven' and seems to have been a particularly strict Buddhist.

Atheism isn't a harmless belief system because it's not a belief system at all. Neither is theism. The belief system in the cases you reference is totalitarian communism.

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Oh... is it time to bring out the Hitler card?
Can I? Can I?!
PLEASE!!!!!

Even Christopher Hitchens has said the Nazis were obviously Pagans, Not Christians.

A tiny percentage of Nazis were pagans. The vast majority were Christians, mostly Lutherans and Catholics, reflecting the religious demographics of Nazi Germany.

And again, for those who ask how do I know God exists, Its a simple look at the Evidence, The Universe cannot "pop" out of Nothing, the fallacies of Krauss notwithstanding,

There is probably a Nobel waiting for you if you can prove Krauss's work is fallacious. What's the supposed fallacy? Note that 'the universe cannot 'pop' out of nothing' is a scientific claim, so what's your evidence for it? Please don't tell me that if things can't pop out of nothing within the universe that the same applies to the universe itself...that would be fallacious.

the DNA is obviously a Code with information Even Dawkins admits it;

[T]here is enough information capacity in a single human cell to store the Encyclopaedia Britannica, all 30 volumes of it, three or four times over. R. Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker (New York: W.W. Norton, 1986), p. 115.

To encode Information ALWAYS requires Intelligence and to deny this obvious observation is to deny reality.

That it ALWAYS requires Intelligence (with a capital 'I' yet!) is a claim. When we see something that clearly derives its 'code' from the environment rather than a designer; 'but it MUST be done by Intelligence because we KNOW it can only be done by Intelligence!' isn't an argument, it's a whine. There's no sign of the 'Intelligence' you say is required actually being needed in the case of DNA, which can be observed to change in response to environmental conditions in real time: We don't have to design a new strand of DNA in bacteria cultures to get them to get better at digesting a medium they don't do well in, we just let time, mutation, and natural selection take their course until we have a population of e. coli that can grow aerobically on, say, citrate. The inability to grow aerobically on citrate was previously considered one of the defining traits of e. coli. It took over 30,000 generations in the lab for the new trait to appear, once it did, the bacteria began to do much better in the medium. A new mutation, which increased the reproductive fitness of the bacteria, and was therefore conserved by selection pressures. If you think an 'Intelligence' waited 30,000 generations and decided to invisibly step in to 'code' the new trait, I'd like to see some evidence that supports that.

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I knew the moral argument would turn to "How bad Christians were with their acts of violence, and how benevolent atheism is 

Atheism is neither benevolent nor malevolent. It is an opinion on the topic of whether any gods are real. Theism is also neither benevolent nor malevolent, but an opinion on the topic of whether any gods are real. You need to get past that one opinion to find out why people are being benevolent or malevolent. To my knowledge, liberal Quakers and Jains don't have any atrocities to answer for and Quakers in particular have done a lot of good. Totalitarian communists who are almost always atheistic have a poor track record when it comes to benevolence; but I have no more in common with Stalin because he was an atheist than you have in common with Osama bin Laden because he was a theist.

and how it had nothing to do with Atheistic governments killing hundreds of millions, they did it for other reasons".

You're smart enough to figure that out, but not smart enough to keep your mouth shut about it.  

The issue is if Christians kill in Unjust wars they are acting AGAINST their religion. 

If their religion doesn't stop countries where they're the majority from engaging in unjust wars, what good is it, morally speaking? I'm in a minority (humanist) that is absolutely against unjust wars and works to prevent them over and over; but failing because we don't have the numbers. In the USA (for instance) we have a large Christian majority, yet have only had 21 years of peace since its founding. Countries where atheists are a large part of the demographic organically (as opposed to it being imposed by communist rulers) tend to be peaceful countries (not because they're atheists, of course, but because they tend to be de facto humanists).

 If an Atheist leader believes there will be no consequences in the after-life for his atrocities, that he is just helping evolution 

Evolution doesn't need help. Scientific theories are descriptive, not prescriptive. They don't tell you what you should do, only how things are. 'Promoting evolution' would be falling to the naturalistic fallacy.

along by performing "natural selection", then yes that will be borne out in his acts, and it's illogical to believe that's not true.

Your lack of charity concerning people you don't understand well is noted. Your opinion in this matter says a lot about you. There are certainly plenty of Christians who manage to not project evil intent onto us, but the ones like you do more to promote atheism than the atheist minority ever could. Thank you for doing your part to make the world more atheistic. Please pass your opinion on this to your children if you have, or ever have, any. One of our best 'recruitment tools' is when people's kids meet atheists and find out their parents were talking out of their ass about them.

As the 2007 atheist suicide-murderer Pekka-Eric Auvinen from Finland, said;  

‘Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the

 future generations too.’ ‘It’s time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on track!’

So you're the kind of person who looks for murderers in a group you despise and then quotes them as examples of the 'group's philosophy'. That's at least bordering on sociopathic.

Anyway, back to my original post, why do so many of you who are atheists, disbelieve R. Dawkins who said good and evil don't even exist, are you dissenting from this "great" atheist thinker??? Why is killing wrong for an atheist in view of the teaching of the "greatest apostle of Atheism" in our time??? If you just say "Good and evil are constructs in our minds we choose to follow, even though they don't objectively
exist"; isn't that living a delusion???

One, we tend to have good reading comprehension, and are able to understand that Dawkins claiming that the universe not being good or evil doesn't mean people can't be good or evil. Two, Dawkins isn't that great a thinker when it comes to philosophy, he's better at zoology. There are plenty of prominent philosophers who are atheists, but they tend not to produce best sellers. Dawkins is good enough at it for a layman, and has done a good job of popularizing the basics. Three, there are objectively better and poorer ways to run a society, I wouldn't want to live in one where people were free to murder me all willy nilly, would you? I don't want to be murdered, I don't want people I like to be murdered, I don't even want people I dislike to be murdered. If you can't figure out why it's a bad idea to kill people without religion telling you not to do it, please stay religious.