RE: Serious Problems with Atheism
January 23, 2017 at 11:18 am
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2017 at 11:39 am by Mister Agenda.)
(January 20, 2017 at 7:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Well, we're not discussing atheism in this context so that's a red herring.
Now, how do we get from "the beauty of the Universe" and "divine revelation" to "God gives meaning to our lives by His very existence; with God existing, we have a chance at Eternal Life and Love, those are the Only things that give meaning to our otherwise pointless lives that end either in a hole in the ground or cremation oven"?
What I'm getting at is how do these things point unequivocally to your god as an existent explanation and no other? What is your citation for all this?
He thinks 'I've got the feels, brah' is an answer to 'how do you know?'
(January 21, 2017 at 5:07 am)Pulse Wrote:(January 20, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Cephus Wrote: Beauty is entirely subjective, there is no demonstration that anything divine has revealed anything and sins are a made up concept.
Try again.
Beauty is not subjective at all, why do babies smile at a beautiful face smiling at them, but when you put on a scary mask they cry, even though no one "taught " then the difference between the two . Search in Youtube Baby sees Scary Mask Prank. Babies don't like scary masks because they have an innate notion of beauty and "anti-beauty" .
Beauty is an objective reality which has to do with proportion and symmetry, and sin and evil are objective realities inexplicable by Materialists, just study murder cases to see evil and sin exist.
Biological and social evolution does a handy job of explaining these things. Do you think the babies who don't cry when they see an inhuman face were as likely to live to pass on their genes back when our ancestors were commonly prey to big cats? Do you think a band of humans that was fine with cheating, lying, murder, and theft were as likely to prosper as a band that prohibited these things?
These things you claim to be inexplicable are all properties of humans and human societies (and of nonhuman societies to a lesser extent), not the universe.
(January 22, 2017 at 12:22 am)Stimbo Wrote: The very fact that we have beauty contests at all proves that beauty is subjective. Otherwise everyone would win.
Or whoever did win would always get ALL the votes.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.