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RE: Deism! (and pantheism and Pandeism, and polypanendeism...)
June 27, 2011 at 11:31 am (This post was last modified: June 27, 2011 at 4:44 pm by Cinjin.)
(June 27, 2011 at 1:28 am)theVOID Wrote:
(June 24, 2011 at 5:43 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Keep in mind Void that you have to take the Xtian characteristics of perfection and omnipotence out of the equation as well.
Makes no difference to me, I think you're both making ridiculous claims about the nature of reality, ones that you have absolutely no support for and yet you believe that it is true, omnipotence and it's quirks aside.
Quote:None of it really matters to me though. As soon as someone makes a claim that they KNOW why God would do something or that they even know who he is, automatically gets stamped with a disregard policy from me. Theorizing is fine. I do it often, but making claims of truth is unacceptable to me.
Let's not pretend you're on some different footing from the bulk of Christians we have here, they're also agnostic - The fact that you make less claims about something that neither of you have any rational reason to believe is entirely a moot point, sure you'll likely not want to stomp your values everywhere by threat of imprisonment or refuse to recognise people's decisions to near the same extent compared to a general religious theist, so thumbs up for that, but on a purely metaphysical level I have no more reason to admire your position over general theism.
Quote:Any answer I have for someone is going to be my own conjecture with an attached disclaimer that reminds them that I simply do not know.
I speak only for myself, not deists, when I say: In my opinion, belief in God IS illogical ........... doesn't change the fact that I choose to do so.
Foolish? Perhaps. Paradox? Definitely. Hypocritical? Slightly. Satisfying? Completely.
It's only hypocritical if you claim to care about having true beliefs and an accurate model of reality from which to work from, accepting something you consider illogical as true to the point where you believe it would then make you entirely hypocritical - In a way it's worse than someone believing something for irrational reasons they are unaware of or believe are rational, at least they don't end up in a position where they know they have no good reason to believe and do so anyway.
Void Wrote:Makes no difference to me, I think you're both making ridiculous claims about the nature of reality, ones that you have absolutely no support for and yet you believe that it is true, omnipotence and it's quirks aside.
Well of course you think that. You're an atheist. I would expect nothing else. And you're right, there is no tangible support for the belief in question.
This entire post is nearly identical to this post. So I will direct you there. Not much point in me re-writing what will eventually be nearly the exact same thing.