Tooth Fairy Bullshit

[Aroura]

Given that the claim is regarding an abstraction -- values -- rather than the concrete -- asking for evidence of it seems unreasonably obtuse; and we haven't even broached the notion that values are subjective.

My apologies for two things: 1) incorrectly abbreviating you username and 2) misinterpreting your text as favoring social Darwinism. I was careless on both accounts.

Over the course of this thread I have mentioned a wide variety of things whose ontological status(es?) are the subject of scholarly debate, e.g. time, numbers, values, possibilities, intentionality, minds, etc. To the extent to which they do or do not exist they fall into categories of being unlike that of physical objects. Thus the means by which beliefs about those kinds of things are justified differ from the means by which someone would justify beliefs about physical objects. You can assert that numbers are abstractions but I can point to modern philosophers, like Godel, that would beg to differ. It’s really a very simple concept and I don’t understand why it remains of elusive to some. Beliefs about different kinds of things require different kinds of justification.

Now the claim you were making earlier, if I am not misreading you again, is that altruistic instincts like humility, sacrifice, mutual respect, and empathy enhance the fitness of the species. And according to you that makes them good.

Unfortunately evolutionary science has proven decisively that this is simply not the case. One in 200 men, approximately 17 million, are directly descended from a brutal killer and serial rapist, Genghis Khan. Apparently the instincts of lust and conquest are those that most enhance fitness, which in evolutionary terms means leaving lots and lots of offspring. If morality is defined as fitness, then Genghis Khan was the greatest saint in human history.

Yet again, if you are asserting god is human made concept like good, evil, numbers, etc, then we agree.

You seem to be asserting god is an invisible force or thing that can interact with other things, like gravity, or air or even dark energy, all of which we have actual evidence of.

Seems like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
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And who is the "we" who get to define good and evil? The fearless leader? The oppressive majority? Do sociopaths get a say?

That varies as well. Sometimes its communities, sometimes leaders, and sometimes individuals. The same way different groups define god differently, because that idea is also maleable and subjective, and changes with time. Hell, you don't even believe in the same god that Christians did 50 years ago! Lol