(January 24, 2017 at 3:56 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: You know, brostergaming, Quran 5:32 has some missing parts which you didn't quote:
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
I could check it in my study Quran if you like? Al-Jalalayn is good, yes? This is what the Tafisr of 5:32 says:
Al-Jalalayn Wrote:Because of that, which Cain did, We decreed for the Children of Israel that whoever slays a soul for other than a soul, slain, or for, other than, corruption, committed, in the land, in the way of unbelief, fornication or waylaying and the like, it shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoever saves the life of one, by refraining from slaying, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind — Ibn ‘Abbās said [that the above is meant] in the sense of violating and protecting its [a soul’s] sanctity [respectively]. Our messengers have already come to them, that is, to the Children of Israel, with clear proofs, miracles, but after that many of them still commit excesses in the land, overstepping the bounds through disbelief, killing and the like.
The verse doesn't apply for everyone. Only the Children of Israel (e.g. Jews). I think you're taking verse 5:32 out of its historical context.
In Sura 16; though:
( 126 ) And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient.
Also; Muslims are supposed to believe in what was revealed before them; according to this verse:
Sura 4
( 136 ) O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.
It is expressed again in a very explicit way in Sura 5, verses 44 to 48.
Catholic_Lady
Quote:What is the theology behind it being moral for men to have multiple wives but not for women to have multiple husbands? Always been curious about this one lol. Asked my muslim friend and he had no clue.
Men are obligated to sponsor women economically but women aren't; the famous "beating" verse states it:
Sura 4
( 34 ) Men are standing with God's rights over women by what Allah has favored one over the other with and what they spend from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what Allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear rebellion advise them; , forsake them in bed; and beat them. But if they obey you , seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Just as a side note. I never copy this verse without the "side note".
Men are obligated to carry on the duties that God ordered them to do with women.
These rights are a duty men must do, since God had gifted them over women with things like physical power and money.
In case the wife revolted, then it depends on the revolt itself. If she talked then the husband should talk; if she abandoned the husband in bedt should abandon her in bed; if she starts to beat him he should do the same.
A more general verse is the eye-for an eye.
The "4 wives" verse is a single verse in Sura 4:
Sura 4
( 2 ) And give to the orphans their properties and do not substitute the defective [of your own] for the good [of theirs]. And do not consume their properties into your own. Indeed, that is ever a great sin.I( 3 ) And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans, then marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
If somebody can't be just to orphans, then they are allowed to marry up to 4 women instead
It's not a right for Muslim men to do it; they are 'only allowed to do so if they fear being unjust to orphans'.
The word "then" in the third verse makes a very big difference.
Joining these 2 with verse 34, will show how being a husband is more of a burden than a favor; men have to spend and do a list of religious obligations towards women.
Women are not obligated to do that; though.
ReptileanPeon
Quote:And you know what the worst part is AtlasS33? All these Wahaabi noobs they have on places like PEACE TV and Guide Us TV they will happily criticize the "immoral Kuffar", but they never criticize the Saudis. They do, as you would say, word gymnastics for their paymasters and gently remind us of how nicely the Saudis treat the women of the Ummah. Let's be clear, if you're not from the Ummah then the Saudis, secretly or otherwise, hate you.
