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Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity
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RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity
January 31, 2017 at 12:54 pm
(January 31, 2017 at 12:26 pm)Redoubtable Wrote:
(January 31, 2017 at 10:19 am)SteveII Wrote: You keep equating the term "moral failure" with disbelief. They are not the same. If you disbelieve, the "church" and other Christian just think you are wrong--not a moral failure.  Perhaps you think using the term adds weight to your objection. A person deserves to be eternally separated from God for rejecting him when given the opportunity.  Rejecting an eternal God has eternal consequences for an immortal soul--I don't think that is as big of a philosophical leap as you think.

-If I have no moral obligation to believe in the gospel, then I shouldn't be punished for not believing.

-According to Christians I will be punished for not believing, therefore I have a moral obligation to believe.

-Failure to fulfill a moral obligation is a moral failure/sin.

Where do you disagree in this line of thinking?

Because salvation (or lack thereof) is not a moral issue. It is a legal issue (judgement, payment for sin, substitution, penalty, etc. are all key words).
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Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 29, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Chad32 - January 29, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Godschild - January 29, 2017 at 6:35 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 29, 2017 at 8:21 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Godschild - January 30, 2017 at 2:26 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Catholic_Lady - January 30, 2017 at 11:08 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Godschild - January 30, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Mr Greene - January 30, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Atheist Rambo - February 26, 2017 at 5:33 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Drich - January 30, 2017 at 10:17 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 30, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Drich - January 31, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Harry Nevis - February 16, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Whateverist - January 31, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Divinity - January 30, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Firewalker - February 7, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Edwardo Piet - January 30, 2017 at 10:52 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by SteveII - January 30, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by drfuzzy - January 30, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by SteveII - January 30, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 30, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by SteveII - January 30, 2017 at 5:24 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Mister Agenda - January 30, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Mr Greene - January 30, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Lek - February 4, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 30, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by SteveII - January 31, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 31, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by SteveII - January 31, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Crossless1 - January 31, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Faith No More - February 1, 2017 at 11:38 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Faith No More - January 31, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Neo-Scholastic - January 31, 2017 at 11:48 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by SteveII - January 31, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - January 31, 2017 at 7:03 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by ronedee - February 1, 2017 at 4:59 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - February 1, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by ronedee - February 2, 2017 at 3:04 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - February 2, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by ronedee - February 2, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - February 2, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by ronedee - February 2, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by robvalue - February 2, 2017 at 3:49 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Lek - February 6, 2017 at 1:17 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Lek - February 6, 2017 at 1:22 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Mr Greene - February 6, 2017 at 3:05 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Minimalist - February 16, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Lek - February 18, 2017 at 3:15 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Minimalist - February 20, 2017 at 11:58 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Neo-Scholastic - February 19, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Cyberman - February 25, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Lek - February 26, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Mister Agenda - February 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Angrboda - March 1, 2017 at 9:20 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Angrboda - March 2, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Angrboda - March 2, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Angrboda - March 2, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Odoital77 - February 19, 2017 at 11:58 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Odoital77 - February 23, 2017 at 4:45 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Harry Nevis - February 20, 2017 at 11:15 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Redoubtable - February 25, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by ukatheist - February 20, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by The Grand Nudger - February 23, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Cyberman - February 26, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Lek - February 26, 2017 at 6:14 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Cecelia - February 26, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by John V - February 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Aristocatt - March 3, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Aristocatt - March 3, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Amarok - March 3, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity - by Amarok - March 3, 2017 at 10:36 pm

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