RE: Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity
January 31, 2017 at 5:37 pm
(This post was last modified: January 31, 2017 at 5:46 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(January 31, 2017 at 12:26 pm)Redoubtable Wrote: -If I have no moral obligation to believe in the gospel, then I shouldn't be punished for not believing.
-According to Christians I will be punished for not believing, therefore I have a moral obligation to believe.
-Failure to fulfill a moral obligation is a moral failure/sin.
Where do you disagree in this line of thinking?
If you don't mind, I'd like to jump in on this one. Sin is its own punishment. People are already being punished in this way everyday, not just in the distant future. The issue is whether or not you choose to be delivered from the power of sin over the whole of your life, both now and in the hereafter.
(January 31, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Faith No More Wrote:(January 30, 2017 at 8:53 pm)Redoubtable Wrote: I completely agree, which is why I think the argument that centers around equating disbelief in the God of classical theism with gods Thor or Zeus a bad argument because Thor and Zeus aren't gods in the sense classical theists use the word. These gods of ancient myth are basically superheroes, they're just really powerful versions of humans and don't really have anything in common with the god of classical theism other than the three letter title. My criticisms in this thread aren't aimed at the existence of a god, in fact you can presuppose a god exists (in fact I'm inclined to believe in one even if I don't claim to know for certain) in my criticisms of these religions. My criticism is aimed at the religions specifically and in this case Christianity.
Well, how do you think Yahweh started? If you think that theists didn't originally imagine him as a bearded superhero in the sky whipping lightning bolts just like Zeus, you're sadly mistaken. It's only with scientific advances that they suddenly re-imagined him as an immaterial entity outside of space and time. Don't be fooled by theists like Chad's attempts at revising the intentions of the original writers.
Buzzzzz. Sorry, FNM, no cigar for you! YHVH is the acronym for the way God identified himself to Moses, not by name but by His divine nature - "I am that I am". Sounds pretty consistent with a Being Whose Existence is identical to His Essence. Doesn't get more original than Exodus 3:14.