Fundamental Arrogance in Christianity

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Pretty much your whole presentation is bullshit. I'm very active in the Catholic church, and have not witnessed your claims, even once.

I'm really starting to doubt you know anything about the doctrines of your Church. You're just presenting anecdotal evidence of your own personal experience which has absolutely no bearing on what the actual doctrines of the Church are. I can tell you're offended, claiming  I'm BSing, but if you would just do a little bit of research you would see how clearly wrong you are about what the Catholic Church teaches on this issue.

The burden of proof is on you. You are making the accusations. Stick to bashing TV Evangelicals..... its an easy target!

Yeah, it is, and providing evidence that the Catholic Church demands we believe in it is a piece of cake. Pay attention especially to that last quote from Vatican II because it unequivocally states that men have a moral duty to become Catholic, that God demands we become Catholic. That's exactly what I've been saying the entire time and yet you incomprehensibly dispute this.

Pope Boniface VIII in Unam Sanctum:

"We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Ecumenical Council of Florence's Cantate Domino:

"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."

Vatican II's Lumen Gentium: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."

Vatican II's Dignitatis Humanae: "Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ."

Case closed. That last quote especially, it clearly states that men have a moral duty to become Catholic, ie they are demanded by God to join the Catholic Church. This proves my point exactly, so rather than claim I'm BSing, I suggest you read up on the teachings of your Church.

Again, you have absolutely no dealings with these religions, and are disseminating false information.

Again I'll challenge you, if I'm a disseminating false information tell me what is false. You have not once challenged a single claim I've made. You just claim what I'm saying isn't true without providing any rebuttal on any specific thing I've said.

Rules , Laws and Doctrine aside............. No one in the RCC is holding a gun to anyone's head. The doors have no locks, and swing both ways. And with the advent of Pope Francis, the RCC has never been more liberal. There are more and MORE diverse members these days as ever before and that's FACT!

Give it up pal. You are just digging the hole deeper. I suggest you take a look for yourself, instead of 2nd, 3rd and 5th hand. There's plenty of seats.