(February 9, 2017 at 8:33 am)Ben Davis Wrote: I don't have tantrums. I have reasonable concerns.
I think that's fair. I don't expect it to be a cakewalk myself and I accept that in all probability we as a nation are likely to less well off economically than we would have been had we remained. But meh, we will still be better off economically than now, and it's hard to miss what you never had.
Quote:There is no 'tyranny' from Brussels, that's just hyperbolic however there are fundamental problems that need member states to come together to address.
This was probably the deciding factor for me. My view is that there is little appetite for change within the EU, other than the ever increasing expansion of members.
In my view the EU as an has become an aim in itself, which must be preserved and expanded at all costs (even if it means turning a blind eye to the fairly obvious fiscal problems of potential new members e.g Greece, or pointedly speaking out against the economic interests of it members when it comes to the Brexit decision, because of the fear that agreeing a new trade deal with a post-Brexit UK on anything approaching single market terms might encourage other members to leave, or ignoring national referendums about new legislation, and sneaking the legislation through the back door regardless, as in the case of the Netherlands).
I mean ffs it took a long running and fairly high profile media campaign fronted by a celebrity and an installation literally on the doorstep of the parliament to get the EU to even consider that throwing dead fish overboard if not in quota was a horrendous waste. Really, what chance does the EU have of agreeing to come together to solve bigger and trickier problems?
Quote:I hate the Lords and want them abolished but that's because they're an undemocratic hangover of Royalist obligation. The Commons still needs a check/balance system, I just don't want it to be over-entitled, posh twats.
We can agree on that much at least [emoji1]
