(March 8, 2017 at 1:16 pm)Nonpareil Wrote:(March 8, 2017 at 11:43 am)Godschild Wrote: I was referring to the OP's ability to paraphrase the original
Which, as I said, is fair enough, but I really don't think anyone could be blamed for concluding that you reject the argument based on you saying that you reject the argument as phrased.
If you do accept the ontological argument, perhaps you could explain what merits your preferred version of it has that solve the issues you had with the original post.
Okay, I do not believe in the argument stated or otherwise, the argument as it pertains to the God of creation doesn't take into account that He is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, meaning we cannot determine what is possible with God. Those three things are outside of any understanding we could have about them other than the basic, He has no limits. However when one studies the scriptures we find that God is limited to who He is, but then that covers a vastness that is inconceivable for man. That argument and all arguments about God by man in the end puts limits on a limitless God. Because God is limitless to our mortal minds any limits God might have would be inconceivable to us. With that said I do not believe God has limits when it comes to his powers yet those very powers can not override who God is. Some may call this a philosophy, but when one studies the scriptures they will see this is our God, unexplainable except for what we glean from the scriptures. The argument was formed before evolutionary science or astrological science (l do not believe in the first and reject some of the second) and both of those are in the back of the minds that would argue against the argument today. Those being non-profit believers. I on the other hand do not consider either, what we "know" of God comes from the scriptures and thus our arguments should not be developed outside of them.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.