RE: What do you think of this argument for God?
March 9, 2017 at 6:14 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2017 at 6:14 pm by Nonpareil.
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(March 9, 2017 at 5:49 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: Which is a value judgment, and therefore not objective, and not something that can have a "maximal" value.
There is still no coherent basis for positing a "greatest possible" value. See above.
No, you confuse assessing comparative value with a "value judgement". They are not the same thing.
No, Steve, I don't. I didn't bring comparing two subjective values into it at all, because it doesn't matter. I am simply pointing out that the subjective judgment of "greatness" cannot have a maximum value, as there is no objective means of measurement that can be said to apply, let alone one that has a maximum possible value. You can compare how "great" you think two movies are and say that you consider one greater, but there is no "maximal greatness" that a movie could achieve, because "greatness" is not quantifiable.
The concept is incoherent and meaningless.
(March 9, 2017 at 5:49 pm)SteveII Wrote: Regarding the property of seeing, is it better to see or not to see? The property of hearing, is it better to hear or not hear? Regarding the property of knowledge, is it better to know something or not know something? Regarding the property of physical ability, is it better to have the power to actualize or no power to actualize? Then there are degrees: Is it better to see near and far or only near? Hear near and far or only near?
That depends on what you consider "better".
Which is subjective, as above.
(March 9, 2017 at 5:49 pm)SteveII Wrote: It's funny, that your arguments against the Ontological Argument (which you said you could dismiss in a few sentences) are nothing like better atheist thinkers like Oppy (who has debated Maydole on this very subject).
I am no one but myself. I am not required to take the same tack as anyone else. There are many different philosophers who have taken their own angles of attack against the argument. The fact that it can be disproved in so many different ways isn't exactly a point in its favor.
You can try to insinuate my lack of understanding all you like, but unless you can actually demonstrate it, no one is going to care very much.
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