Giff,
It's worth pointing out that it is wrong to claim that the Iraq bombings were "Christian", sure George W is a born again and there are certainly a fair number of Milton personal who would have been but some of them would have been atheists as would some of the officers planning and ordering soldiers to do such things. TBBH I think the driving force behind the Iraq campaign was something other than religious. I would also argue that collateral damage (even though that is human) where people are hurt attacking a specific military target is more justifiable than terrorist actions that specifically target people ... I grant you the distinction is probably largely irrelevant to those who die, are hurt and lose loved ones.
It's also worth noting that the number of Islamic terrorist actions on the Religion of Peace site that Bhavv linked to, whilst seeming fairly right-wing US oriented to me, is staggering and although it does not brand all Muslims terrorists the one thing I really noticed at times like 9/11 (US) and 7/7 (UK) was the unwillingness of the majority of Muslims (some of them very young and obviously intelligent) to speak out against their actions. I know that every action is pretty much derived from a previous action and I'm not stupid enough to believe these things are initiated by those Muslims without reason but I generally believe that this kind of thing achieves nothing and proves less, that the way to change a culture is from within.
I think Bhavv's stance is wrong but I also think you and others here are generalising too much and giving the Muslim community too much credit in your responses.
Kyu
It's worth pointing out that it is wrong to claim that the Iraq bombings were "Christian", sure George W is a born again and there are certainly a fair number of Milton personal who would have been but some of them would have been atheists as would some of the officers planning and ordering soldiers to do such things. TBBH I think the driving force behind the Iraq campaign was something other than religious. I would also argue that collateral damage (even though that is human) where people are hurt attacking a specific military target is more justifiable than terrorist actions that specifically target people ... I grant you the distinction is probably largely irrelevant to those who die, are hurt and lose loved ones.
It's also worth noting that the number of Islamic terrorist actions on the Religion of Peace site that Bhavv linked to, whilst seeming fairly right-wing US oriented to me, is staggering and although it does not brand all Muslims terrorists the one thing I really noticed at times like 9/11 (US) and 7/7 (UK) was the unwillingness of the majority of Muslims (some of them very young and obviously intelligent) to speak out against their actions. I know that every action is pretty much derived from a previous action and I'm not stupid enough to believe these things are initiated by those Muslims without reason but I generally believe that this kind of thing achieves nothing and proves less, that the way to change a culture is from within.
I think Bhavv's stance is wrong but I also think you and others here are generalising too much and giving the Muslim community too much credit in your responses.
Kyu
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