(March 27, 2017 at 8:52 am)Khemikal Wrote:(March 25, 2017 at 10:41 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe the opposite, I believe we require "all-existence" for meaning and we cannot find it just in our selves, because we ourselves are defined by our link and relationship to beings around us, and so must love every creation, be it the pebbles that glorify God or trees that do so to, and especially humans.Then your beliefs are demonstrably false by brute force of fact. Not only can we find meaning in ourselves, we do...with regularity.
I know, I know...I know. Your meaning is better meaning, the real meaning, true meaning.
You finding meaning because you have an over arching meaning. For example, you find meaning in loving others, doing good to others, doing good to yourself, etc, because you have value which is meaningful.
But the meaning you assign yourself is not random or chaotic or maybe it is, at least it shouldn't be. And if you think about it, how you relate to others is important to who you are. So that way you are interlinked.
If you had a dog, that dog would relate to you and how you treat it, etc, will relate to who you are. What you like as food, etc, all things around you, and we are today a global society where we are all chained somehow together. That is you know a person that knows people you don't know, and we are chained like that.
To exclude God out of how you define yourself is nothing but hate of God and hate of the closest being to us. We are his creation, servants, and his perception defines us and his grace preserves us.