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Dealing with existential nihilism
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RE: Dealing with existential nihilism
(March 29, 2017 at 10:20 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(March 29, 2017 at 12:30 am)bennyboy Wrote: If there are thousands of different gods that people strongly believe in, then what's the most likely position?...billions of others think each other's God is made up.  I think theirs is made up.  They think mine is made up.  So clearly one's cultural beliefs, one's religious experiences or feelings, and one's logical attempts to justify them cannot establish the truth of a religion.

Personally, I'm not seeing the problem here. MK and I do significantly differ with respect to the special revelations we accept. And yet when I read the arguments and observations he brings to the table, these are nearly always based on general revelations of the divine with which I agree. I see nothing wrong with the idea that God meets us where we are (in this fallen creation) and would expect Him to take into account the culture and temperaments of those He is trying to reach. Ultimately, religion is about loving God with all our being and loving others as we would love ourselves.

This particular objection, that religions have various doctrines, is the flip side of TrueBelievers where uncertainty and indeterminacy cannot be tolerated. For example within Christianity, some doctrines, such as the Resurrection, are nearly universal. Meanwhile, other doctrines, such as eternal conscious torment versus annihilationism, are indeterminate. I have heard good arguments on both sides. It makes for interesting inter-Christian debate but is not a great source of division. Similarly, MK and I have different views on the authority of the Koran versus the NT Synoptic Gospels, Pauline letters, etc. I have heard arguments on both sides and have come down on the side of the NT. That in no way lessens my respect for MK or gives me cause to doubt his sincerity, just as I do not doubt your sincerity.

There is no such thing as "divine revelation" not for Christians, not for Muslims, not for Jews, not even for Hindus. I don't think even most Buddhist understand the superstitious mythical roots of what was back then, in reality, merely a man, or group, whom managed to create Buddhism as a spin off of Hinduism. 

In all of antiquity, even far older than modern monotheism, even in prior polytheism humans falsely thought their fortunes were handed down to them from above. 

Even the ancient Egyptians and Greeks and Roman polytheism was based on gods who intervened in their lives. But just as a cleric and Rabbi or priest or minister, nobody talks to invisible beings. Sure they may think they do, but so did the Oracles of polytheism. 

Maybe you and MK need to BOTH consider you got it wrong and there is nobody above helping anyone.
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Dealing with existential nihilism - by Angst King - March 22, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by c172 - March 22, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by brewer - March 22, 2017 at 7:55 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Angst King - March 22, 2017 at 8:03 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by brewer - March 22, 2017 at 9:30 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Amarok - March 24, 2017 at 6:04 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by henryp - March 28, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 22, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by vorlon13 - March 22, 2017 at 8:29 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Whateverist - March 22, 2017 at 9:45 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Minimalist - March 22, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 23, 2017 at 12:24 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Astreja - March 24, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by SuperSentient - March 24, 2017 at 12:44 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 24, 2017 at 7:29 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Amarok - March 24, 2017 at 6:16 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 24, 2017 at 9:13 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Mister Agenda - March 24, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 24, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - March 24, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 25, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Astreja - March 27, 2017 at 3:10 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Angrboda - March 24, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 24, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - March 24, 2017 at 10:49 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Angrboda - March 24, 2017 at 11:32 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - March 24, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - March 24, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - March 25, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Whateverist - March 28, 2017 at 11:26 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 27, 2017 at 4:07 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - March 27, 2017 at 8:30 pm
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RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:30 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:38 am
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RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Astreja - March 28, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 28, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Mister Agenda - March 28, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 12:18 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Mister Agenda - March 28, 2017 at 2:46 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 11:56 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 28, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 12:20 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 28, 2017 at 1:21 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by LastPoet - March 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 12:21 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 28, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 29, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 29, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 29, 2017 at 8:52 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 29, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 12:28 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - March 28, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - March 28, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Amarok - March 28, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 28, 2017 at 6:14 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Amarok - March 29, 2017 at 10:04 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 30, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Amarok - March 30, 2017 at 6:02 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 31, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 30, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Neo-Scholastic - March 30, 2017 at 10:54 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - March 31, 2017 at 3:29 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 30, 2017 at 11:41 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 5:47 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 5:58 pm
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RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Amarok - March 31, 2017 at 6:39 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Macoleco - March 31, 2017 at 8:44 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - March 31, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - April 1, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by henryp - April 1, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - April 1, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by bennyboy - April 1, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - April 2, 2017 at 9:52 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Nanny - April 1, 2017 at 2:46 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Nanny - March 31, 2017 at 9:05 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Nanny - March 31, 2017 at 10:05 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by henryp - April 1, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - April 1, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Macoleco - March 31, 2017 at 9:20 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - April 2, 2017 at 1:35 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Jesster - April 2, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: Dealing with existential nihilism - by Brian37 - April 2, 2017 at 1:41 pm

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