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Argument from justice.
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RE: Argument from justice.
(March 30, 2017 at 9:27 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(March 30, 2017 at 9:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I never said subjectivity makes it baseless, I said if it was ONLY a human construct. 

That is a good question, according to who? 

You are saying you decide how I should be treated...I am saying none of us do, rather, God knows and sees that, and reveals justice to us.

Human constructs are subjective views of humans. So yes, you did call subjectivity baseless.

(March 30, 2017 at 9:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That is a good question, according to who? 

You are saying you decide how I should be treated...I am saying none of us do, rather, God knows and sees that, and reveals justice to us.

If it's according to anyone at all, it's subjective. If you are trying to claim that this is God's subjective view, then why isn't his social construct just as baseless as our own? You are contradicting yourself here.

You can't just toss in an assertion for something here in the middle of the argument when it's the exact thing you are trying to prove. This fell apart real hard here, MK.

You should read what philosophers have said about this subject. From Kant to others, it's been proven beyond doubt morality, justice, etc, prove God and God proves them, and this is a biconditional statement, if one is false, the other is false, and if one is true, the other is true. I'm not saying it's true because they said so, all I'm suggesting is you read their literature.

There is a lot of literature on this.  I am just bringing different angles and perceptions of my own that have a similar flavor.

The reality is we didn't come to believe in morality due to God nor God due to morality, but we believed in these things together, and they go together, no matter how much people try to separate the two.

The same is true of mysterious language of love and worth.

Justice also shows we naturally believe in God.

(March 30, 2017 at 9:29 pm)Jesster Wrote:
(March 30, 2017 at 9:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: But are all subjective views of humans have solely human constructs?

Yes

Do you believe love is a human construct?
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Messages In This Thread
Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:05 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:08 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:09 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:11 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Minimalist - March 30, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:19 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:23 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:27 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:46 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Minimalist - March 30, 2017 at 8:55 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 8:56 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:59 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:06 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:16 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:23 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:27 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:28 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:29 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:32 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:38 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:39 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:43 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:45 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Amarok - March 30, 2017 at 9:50 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 10:08 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 10:18 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 8:55 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Amarok - March 30, 2017 at 9:38 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by paulpablo - March 30, 2017 at 9:44 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2017 at 9:52 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by paulpablo - March 30, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by MysticKnight - March 31, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by bennyboy - March 31, 2017 at 9:25 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by paulpablo - March 31, 2017 at 11:24 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by bennyboy - March 31, 2017 at 1:34 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 30, 2017 at 9:53 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by bennyboy - March 30, 2017 at 10:18 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Angrboda - March 30, 2017 at 10:41 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Astreja - March 31, 2017 at 12:55 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 5:44 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Jesster - March 31, 2017 at 5:55 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 7:57 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Pat Mustard - April 1, 2017 at 5:13 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by FatAndFaithless - March 31, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Pat Mustard - March 31, 2017 at 10:38 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Whateverist - March 31, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2017 at 10:58 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by Faith No More - March 31, 2017 at 11:16 am
RE: Argument from justice. - by LastPoet - March 31, 2017 at 2:18 pm
RE: Argument from justice. - by Cyberman - March 31, 2017 at 2:53 pm

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