RE: I wanted to apologize as a Christian....
March 31, 2017 at 11:22 am
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2017 at 11:24 am by Huggy Bear.)
(March 31, 2017 at 9:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:Huggy74 Wrote:Where is the immorality If the person chooses to be "strung up" of their own free will for the sake of everyone else? I thought you were of the opinion that a person could choose to do what ever they want with their body...
There's a difference between letting someone end their prolonged, pointless, and nearly hopeless suffering and letting someone take a rash action on the worst day of their life.
But the immorality would be on my part, if I helped justify their suicide by playing along with their delusion that my vicarious redemption is at stake if they don't.
Response to you and Rhythm below
(March 31, 2017 at 10:33 am)Khemikal Wrote:(March 31, 2017 at 9:27 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Where is the immorality If the person chooses to be "strung up" of their own free will for the sake of everyone else?The immorality of vicarious redemption does not lie with the person who..in moral ignorance, offers themselves up as a sacrifice..but in those who allow it, accept it, benefit from it, or worst of all, seek it out. I can understand, for example..why a mother would offer her own life in her sons stead....but we still won't execute her for his crimes, nor will we contend that her death would redeem him. I'm not interested in making some special exemption for your imaginary bestie. Freely given or not, the fruit of the poisoned tree is still poisoned.
Quote:I thought you were of the opinion that a person could choose to do what ever they want with their body...
Sure. Doesn't have anything to do with the immorality of vicarious redemption, though...so....?
You essentially practice "vicarious redemption" on a day to day basis. Do you not consume food? If so, then does that not by your standards make killing something and eating it in order for you to live immoral? Something must die in order for you to live.
It's the same concept, just as we need food naturally, we also need food spiritually, which is why Jesus said you must eat of his flesh and drink of his blood (spiritually speaking), or you had no life in you.
So you can't sit here and claim that vicarious redemption is immoral without being a hypocrite...
