(April 1, 2017 at 9:21 am)wallym Wrote:(March 31, 2017 at 10:05 pm)Nanny Wrote: Further thinking on this:
Let's say we've accepted that there is no supreme power or afterlife. Why bother from there?
A different way to put it: there's a planet full of experiences out there. Why not seek them out?
Pass on learning from these experiences to others. Some people write books still.
Nihilism is the easy way out. Life is full of experiences and some of them suck. If we tell the stories right we prepare the next generations. Passing on learning is culture. We're not the only species to exhibit culture, but we can communicate it better than any species discovered so far.
Nihilism is definitely not the easy way out. Humans appear to be programmed to want to live forever with great meaning. Nihilism is swimming upstream on that front, which is why so many who consider themselves nihilists don't appear to be living very nihilistic lifestyles.
Nothing to do with this particular post, but in my 16 years of on line debate, I notice time after time how theists confuse how science uses words and falsely equate it to a layperson's ignorant use.
"Programmed" gives me a lip twitch, even seen si fi wooers jump on that word and misunderstand it, and end up trying to replace a all powerful god with a invisible program writer. That is not what science means, it is still ultimately metaphor.
And "lifestyle" I really hate that loaded word. There is just life, "style" is a suffix humans use to allow themselves to feel superior to others. Knowing the age of our planet and universe and our finite nature, "lifestyle" is a nonsense word. Sagan's Pale Blue dot speech should give more humans perspective to our place in the universe.
Not even the thought of a cosmic cognition as a mere "programmer", like a bunch of tiny Bill Gates or one giant Steve Jobs makes any sense to me. Why would "all this" god or "programmer" be needed? It would seem that even a non religious "programmer" would suffer the same flaw of infinite regress. If a complex programmer is required, wouldn't a more complex programmer be required to program that program?
How about space/time/all the dimensions are simply a non cognitive wave function oscillation going from on to off to on to off like seasons changing over and over. Our desire, even with atheists, to have some sort of "forever" is evolutionary, but not magical, not even a si fi level.