RE: UK to leave EU
April 10, 2017 at 7:21 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2017 at 7:34 pm by GUBU.)
(April 10, 2017 at 12:07 pm)Isis Wrote: For the record, I wouldn't class myself as a Brexiteer anymore. I recognise that there are benefits to remaining a member but unfortunately it is too late now.
(April 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: We've spent the last forty years making it easy for the UK, giving them opt outs and subventions over and above those available to any member, and look what happened as a result. At this stage the UK without a friend left within the EU is going to get a kicking.
Do you have any examples?
(April 10, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Oh, and of your 27 countries, exactly none have expressed a desire to agree a deal with the UK before the UK concludes a deal with the EU, and also exactly none of them have expressed a desire to give the UK a deal better than the one it has now. And you can drop every single one of the EU listed countries there, because they will not be able to do separate deals with the UK without themselves first leaving the EU, and countries like India have already dictated their terms to the UK along the lines of "no increased access for your businesses into our country, lots of increased access for our businesses into the UK".
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I didn't claim that they did. You're correct in saying that the EU countries (only two of them on that list) wouldn't be able to form their own deals, however nations like Germany have a lot of influence in the EU. The economic minister of Bavaria has already pressed for some kind of trade deal with us after we leave.
India has indeed tried to dictate what they want to happen and that's just simply unacceptable. They want their citizens prioritised for things like residency applications and more access for their students. So yes, obviously things will be complicated. But hey, blame those who voted to leave in the referendum if you must.
I'm just saying that Britain won't suddenly cease to exist after leaving the EU, that's my main point to downbeatplumb. But whatever, it's pretty pointless to get into a proper debate about this until the negotiations are over. We can guess all we like, but we don't know for sure what will happen.
As regards special deals, lets see now
1) the £3bn per annum rebate
2) not having to sign Schengen
3) opt outs from financial regulations
4) allowing crown colonies like Gribaltar, the Channel Islands, the Caribbean colonies &c. access to the single market without having to follow the single market rules (that's what Spain are actually pushing so hard on the Gribraltar veto for, the colony actually diverts a lot of income and capital which should be taxed in Spain into secretive offshore accounts)
5) Rules to allow people from recently aceeded countries lesser rights than their fellow EU citizens, plus immigration quotas (despite the UK pushing hard for this alone in the EU 15 they didn't use it)
6) Changes to the CAP to allow large land owners receive payments.
As regards Germany wanting to do a deal with the UK, any deal will be on Germany's terms and very disadvatageous to the UK.
On paying the EU it's contributions already agreed upon by the UK government such as pensions for UK civil servants working in EU institutions, joint scientific projects and so on, yes the UK can not bother paying, but they'll never get a deal with the EU and find it very hard to trade with anybody else either. Welshing on your commitments is still a big no i n international diplomacy.
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