RE: Atheists, what do you believe is the best argument for the existence of a deity?
July 13, 2011 at 11:39 pm
(July 13, 2011 at 3:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Strange I posted a reply to this 8 hours ago. Shegone!
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fr0d0 Wrote:I would call that misplaced faith. Belief is based on false premise in those cases.
So what belief wouldn't you consider faith? It seems to me that you're just using belief and faith as synonyms... What is the difference?
fr0d0 Wrote:Belief in God is the most positive and productive world view.
Wait, you think the best argument for God is that people can subjectively find it positive? Frankly I couldn't care less, it has nothing to do with an argument for the truth of the claim - I know tons of people in the Psychedelic community who believe in reincarnation, I'll guarantee you their belief is just as 'positive' to them as your belief is to you. It's plainly obvious that our subjective feelings towards a proposition is not indicative of it's being a metaphysical reality, were we to accept it as a line of evidence we would rather quickly find ourselves drowned in contradictory and mutually exclusive conclusions.
How exactly is your belief in God 'productive'?
fr0d0 Wrote:As we cannot know the answer to prayer the study of it is also absurd.
Would you say that people who pray to be healed are more likely to be healed? If so we can very much test that claim, we can test any claim that posits some physical manifestation - A great many theists have made specifically that claim and the studies to show the results consistently fail. If you don't make the same claim then that's fine, but you don't get to be the arbiter of theistic claims and decide that any investigation at all is absurd, it all depends entirely on the claim being made.
fr0d0 Wrote:Fine tuning then from a purely material POV. Correctly abstaining from teleology. But the subject of the thread is to propose a best argument for the existence of a deity??
You consistently raise this "material POV' line, what exactly is it you mean by this?
I gave what I find to be the best argument for a deity, the argument that to me up-shifts the probability of a deity existing more than any other. I am aware of no argument for which the existence of a deity is that likely given the alternatives which are, all but inflation (and to a lesser extent Brane Theory), entirely unsupported empirically - This is why to me the fine-tuning argument is uniquely positioned to support the possibility of a deity being the cause. I also fail to see what any of this has to do with a "material POV".
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