(April 21, 2017 at 4:07 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(April 21, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
Why did you use the word "cult"? Now think carefully because the "I am not like the others" as a ploy just to go back to the "Stalin/Hitler/Po Pot" garbage. I do happen to think those monsters created a cult of personality and gained power, but even their rise started out by small unrest. But all of them at the same time convinced a majority of religious people to follow them.
Keep in mind I have been at this 16 years. Mormons and JWs were cults but aren't called that now, but you don't want to accept that the first Christians were also considered "cults". Scientology, that one baffles me the most because everyone knew back then when he wrote his best seller 'Diannetics"(sp) everyone knew he was a si fi writer.
I can forgive the gullibility of the early JWS and even the first Mormons, and even the first Christians, but we know better now.
"I am not like the others"? Why because they are smaller? Or because you think "Brian you picked the wrong sect" or "You don't have the correct interpretation" will work on me?
You will try to convince yourself I am a boogieman or lost puppy to save. You thought that even before you signed up here. Otherwise why are you hear?
1. Argument from tradition, does not equal fact.
2. Argument from popularity does not equal fact.
3. My interpretation does not equal fact.
4. Quoting a holy writing of any religious label worldwide is circular reasoning, that also doesn't equal fact.
5. An apologist is not neutral, and every religion has followers who quote apologists, also not fact.
6. My holy writing matches science is something all religions pull, also not a valid tactic. Scientific method is neutral.
Now your argument is size of the sect? Nope, that is how all new religions start, small.
Now be careful how you respond, because I know your end game. This is not my first chess game and you are not the first Christian much less the only religion I have ever debated.
Prooftexting and inventing a strawman does not equal bupkiss!
And I don't care how long you've been playing candyland, what you are doing is not debate or discussion. Just re-enforcing the your delusions, with the voice's in your head.
If you want to discuss, I'm happy to - but you need to listen and respond to what is said.
Sorry, my refusing to walk down your Yellow Brick Road and cutting to the core of the arguments I get from every religion does make it a "straw man".
You don't want to "discuss" you want to sell, you simply try to convince yourself that a "discussion" is all you are doing.
Yea and again, we also have Muslims here on this site that also claim they are only "discussing" or "debating" take your pick. How many people of other religions do you "discuss" with, or do you mainly "discuss" with atheists?
You have product you are selling, stop lying to me trying to pretend that is not what you are doing.
You call it a "discussion" with us here, but I bet you peddle your product in not only other threads but in your own real personal life too.
EVERY RELIGION IN THE WORLD argues like this.
1. I got it right.
2. My religious history is long.
3. My religion is popular.
4. My holy writing says.
5. My holy person says.
6. My club has a history of discoveries.
7. My religion matches science.
Now please tell me what I have left out that you have not argued because you do think you got it right otherwise you would not be here even "discussing" you would be seeking answers elsewhere.
I bet you don't have "discussions" with many Hindus or Buddhists or Jews or Muslims do you?
How about you discuss your "position" with a variety of religions for a few years first before you stupidly assume I don't know what you are doing.