America's obsession with guns

[The Grand Nudger]

Won't happen. The only pragmatic thing EVERYONE should want, is to insure the gun shops and gun makers do a better job of preventing ANYONE, even without a record, but say with mental illness, domestic problems, work place problems and religious grudges, because those people can have no record at time of buy or they can borrow or steel it from family or neighbor. We don't vet well enough, but no, it is bullshit to say you an rid the entire nation of handguns.

b-mine.

That would be precognitive and preemptive screening......and if we were capable of that then there'd be no need for specific gun screening...as there would be no crime successfully committed in this world............but other than that - solid idea.  Though I wonder how much gun death you, personally, reckon can be attributed to "crazy with a gun".  

I am for banning anything that is high capacity and high speed handgun or riffle. 

-aaaaand that's why my poor little 22lr keeps being classified an "assault weapon" - whilst the intended "assault weapons" almost inexplicably remain unlegislated against.  

I am no victim, but I am sick of seeing this shit in the news, even out here in the middle of nowhere and have the assholes on the right think gun violence is strictly a black urban vs white cop issue. It is a public safety issue in every fucking county in both blue and red states, and gun violence is affecting everyone of both parties in both the middle class and poor. It should not be party issue but only one Party is stuck in the fucking wild west days and only one lobby is holding the entire nation hostage. The GOP and NRA wont even fucking admit that most Americans INCLUDING most gun owners want a universal background check. 

The only loophole to the current background check is that it doesn't apply to peer to peer sales.  If that loophole were closed, there would be a universal background check in this country.  That one exists..though, not so much because of gun laws as because of property laws.   

And I could care less if you think I misunderstood you. Again, NEVER claimed to be a victim. But Newtown, San Bernadino, Va Tech, Pulse Orlando. And the worst part is even long before Columbine, back in 1984 in San Ysidro a mentally ill man named James Huberty murdered 21 people in a McDonalds. The sad part is that this is also NOT the majority of gun injury and death. Most gun injury and death is still in the home. 

Absolutely, while mass shootings are a statistically irrelevant slice of gun death overall - the majority of gun death and injury -is- in the home.  Suicide.  I'd be willing to classify this one as "crazy with a gun", if you are.  Better mental healthcare would probably be able to identify and create those records, the ones that don't currently exist - and it's a hell of alot easier (I hope) to establish a more broadly accessible and acceptable mental healthcare system than it is to establish a pre-crime unit at every point of sale.  

Two big things that would fix this real quick, allow the shops and factories to be sued, not to put them out of business, but to force them to be careful as to whom they sell them to. Gun insurance. Just like car insurance. It pays the medical bills, even in cases of accident or theft.

They can be and have been sued..successfully.  Manufacturers sell to licensed retailers directly and in bulk, not the average joe - and when they do sell, they must comply with all the same restrictions but cannot make use of the peer to peer transfer loophole.  If you really need someone to point the finger at, perhaps it should be the people committing the crimes?