RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 16, 2017 at 10:05 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2017 at 10:10 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(May 16, 2017 at 5:53 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 8:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Suffering is suffering, yes. But you were claiming that suffering = wrongness. I was wondering on what grounds you make this claim.
On the grounds that there are no instances in which suffering, in and of itself, isn't wrong and there are no instances when wrongness, in and of itself, isn't suffering (or the cause of suffering).
What about exercising? I certainly suffered when my cross country coach had me run endless laps around the trails. Both when I was doing it, and for the next 2 days of being incredibly sore. Also when I stayed up for hours doing homework in college, exhausted mentally an physically and with a sore neck.
What if you steal from someone and they never even notice you stole from them? Clearly you aren't causing any suffering. But stealing is still wrong. Same with lying or cheating, assuming no one ever finds out and no suffering comes from it.
I don't think suffering = wrongness, in and of itself. I don't think it makes sense to base morality on suffering.
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"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
