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morality is subjective and people don't have free will
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
(May 16, 2017 at 9:36 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 16, 2017 at 8:21 am)SteveII Wrote: My understanding is the only reason to think we do not have free will is to presuppose naturalism.

Wrong. Here's why supernaturalism and a soul is useless:





Q.E.D.

The definition of free will Stawson gives is so restrictive as to make the term meaningless. Of course our decisions are informed by our genetics, experiences, and consciousness. This is the definition most people think of when discussing free will:

Definition: A personal explanation of some basic result R brought about intentionally be person P where this bringing about of R is a basic action A will cite the intention I of P that R occurred and the basic power B that P exercised to bring about R. P, I and B provide a personal explanation of R: agent P brought about R be exercising power B in order to realize intention I as an irreducible teleological goal. (Moreland, Blackwell's Companion to Natural Theology. p 298)

The only reason to define the term into meaninglessness is because you can't admit to having it when presupposing naturalism.
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will - by SteveII - May 16, 2017 at 10:17 am

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