morality is subjective and people don't have free will

[Mister Agenda]

Well that's not fair. I never said you're not justified I'm thinking it happens too much. One time would be too much.

Since you apparently missed my post #143, I'll repeat that there are nearly 4,000 Good News Clubs in elementary schools across the USA. Imagine how many Evangelicals there are who don't participate in Good News Clubs but teach their small children the same thing. One time would be too much, but I wouldn't think it was something Christians should own if it was one time. They're getting the idea that they should do this from the Bible, it's not like it doesn't have anything to do with their religion. There are at least tens of millions of children in the USA getting this kind of indoctrination. It shouldn't fall on the 3% of Americans who are atheists to bear the burden of being most of the ones willing to point out what's happening, or even acknowledge that it's both a real problem and a Christian problem.

I don't see how it compromises your Americanized version of Catholicism to acknowledge that there are child-rearing practices that are not uncommon among evangelical fundamentalists which are very problematic and should be opposed by Christians who don't think a modern understanding of child development is a scheme cooked up by the devil to trick good Christians into spoiling their children with all this 'spare the rod' newfangledness.

And maybe acknowledge how often children get beaten with the 'spare the rod, spoil the child' quote from Proverbs as a justification. And how it is used to justify a continuum of punishment from mild spanking to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lydia_Schatz

The deaths of three homeschooled children in different parts of the country have been linked to the book How to Train up a Child by an evangelical couple named Pearl as a biblical guideline to child-rearing that sold over half-a-million copies. I'm sure most of the parents who adopted the guidelines outlined in the book on whipping children with plastic tubing did so correctly without causing fatalities.

I don't knowingly hang out with people who mistreat their children either, but I wouldn't, would I? I'm glad you don't either, but you've got to take off those rose-colored glasses that let you think it's because it's rare. There are large segments of our society who think preaching hellfire to six-year olds is not only fine but important. They're not a majority of Americans or Christians, but a majority of fundamentalist evangelicals would say 'yes' to 'teach small children about sin and hell' and there are over 40 million of them in this country. It's far from rare. Way too far.