RE: The Bible and slavery
July 18, 2011 at 11:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2011 at 11:31 pm by Nick_A.)
(July 18, 2011 at 8:52 am)Epimethean Wrote: And in this particular case, the only true christian seems to be one who thinks he is such a thing.
Cogito christianus ergo christianus sum, sed putas te christianum esse, ergo non christianus sis.
Would you say that the only true lawyer is one who calls himself a lawyer?
(July 18, 2011 at 1:24 pm)Cinjin Wrote:(July 18, 2011 at 7:57 am)FaithNoMore Wrote:(July 18, 2011 at 1:52 am)Nick_A Wrote: Why worry about me? You have a choice. You can either blindly deny or make the efforts at self knowledge to verify. You've chosen blind denial. You've made your choice.
Perhaps the biggest fault of Christians is the belief that self-knowledge requires Christianity.
I would say that's more than fair to say. Clearly little Nicky there believes that the rest of us can't "know thyself" nor can we understand the nature of our existence because we haven't chosen to see his brand of "truth". Thus his ridiculous remark about us choosing blind denial.
Ridiculous because of the very fact that when one chooses to deny something it means that they have indeed seen it, analyzed it and made a choice to deny it. There's nothing blind about that. A conscious decision was made. All this existential bullshit that you're attaching to your argument is nothing more than the same old tired rhetoric I've been hearing for years from christians who want to attempt to turn their stupid religion into some kind of quest for a higher consciousness. It's bull shit. In the end you're still trying to sell that ancient book of yours and your silly godboy to the rest of the world - and probably yourself.
Talk about being blind.
Amazing! But I guess if people didn't think this way there would not be genocides. they only take place through denial.
(July 18, 2011 at 11:31 am)Judas BentHer Wrote:(July 18, 2011 at 1:04 am)Nick_A Wrote: You are confusing Christendom with Christianity. It is an understandable mistake but a mistake just the same. Actually it was the imposition of the Hebrew God on Christianity as well as Rome imposing Christianity on the empire that created such a quick devolution of Christianity into Christendom within society.No, no confusion whatsoever. You're citing an archaic out of date term, "Christendom", that use to apply when describing Christianity. Now Christendom simply refers to the whole community that practices Christianity. You can not assume your position, as stated above, and use the Bible as a platform for support of that claim.
Basically, you're talking through your hat.
Yeshu never created a faith called Christianity. Rome did. So as to blanket the world with their creation of a false savior of the world, who's origins life death and resurrection led slaves to be obedient unto their earthly masters while living in the faith they were saved in spirit for an after life that would free them of their bonds. As such it was Rome's intent to rule the Jews by taking their Messianic myth into Roman control and then creating their own compilation from pagan myths so as to insure Roman influence and authority continued to rule the worlds people and expand in it's conquest of new territories, long after the Legion was dust.
Yeshu was a radical Rabbi who was murdered on the eve of Passover for the crime of blasphemy. He and his fellows were hung. Which means crucified. They died, never to rise from the grave again. Yeshu did not come to create a religion he came to teach what can be described as Autotheism. No sect known today, whether referred to in archaic out of date terms or Christianity itself was ever orchestrated or "founded" by Yeshu. Nor did he intend religion to spring from his teachings.
There were no scribes taking down his teachings, no creeds, no absolute doctrines related to it. Those books now on the market such as, the gospel of Judas, the gospel of Thomas, etc... arrived long after Yeshu and his fellows were dead.
They're related to the contrivance of Gnostics and evidence of that is all scripture contained therein refer to Yeshu by his Greek name, Jesus. No Jew, no member of an Essene sect, would have ever been named in the Greek. Whereas in the early Roman era of the early Christian church Latin was spoken to the peasant class during the sermons. While the elite class was afforded the homily in the language reserved for kings; Greek. Hence the Roman tradition affording their false prophet to bear the name, Jesus.
Where do you get this stuff? Christianity is a revelation that initiated from a conscious source. Christendom are just devolved man made interpretations.
Judaism and Christianity are complimentary but completely different.