(May 24, 2017 at 9:10 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(May 24, 2017 at 7:02 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I still don't understand what you MEAN by illusion in this context. Do you mean that if (1) is false, there's really no consciousness, but I think I have the illusion that I am conscious anyway? I'm not debating, I just want you to define what (1) would even mean.
In the most extreme case it is a complete lack of experience, which Jor for instance does not hold apparently. One level down from that is the idea that consciousness isn't anything at all - more like the center of gravity in statics, a fictional point from which to calculate force vectors.
Oh. That sounds like word salad to me. The word "consciousness" is about something-- and you don't have to be able to define exactly WHAT that something is when you open your eyes in the morning and become aware that you are experiencing things. You can't really call labels illusions; you can only call our perceptions of whatever we made the label for mistaken.
Whether there is an "I" who through some process actively experiences things, or whether "I" is simply a label for a connected collection of experiences in the context of an individual body, that's a different story. But in either case, it would be perhaps the sense of the agency of the self, or perhaps the reality of an objective perceived world, which would be the illusion, not the consciousness itself.
