RE: Consciousness Trilemma
May 29, 2017 at 4:13 am
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2017 at 4:15 am by Angrboda.)
This is all bullshit anyway, because the original claim made by you was the following:
As has been patiently explained to you, there is a very real sense in which consciousness can be an illusion in the sense of not being what it appears to be. You're the one who introduced this claim that consciousness cannot be mistaken that it is conscious. That's a complete devolution from, "Conscious experience is not an illusion," into your own private hell which had nothing to do with whether consciousness can be an illusion and in which you're doing nothing but mouthing empty predicates. Consciousness as a subject has properties, and those properties represent to consciousness exactly what consciousness thinks itself to be. To say that "appearing is appearing, it's tautological" is just sidestepping the point to appear to be saying something unassailable. Your presumed cleverness is nothing but a distortion of the original predicate, which you claimed could not be false. All this "seeming is seeming" is just so much bizarre backpedaling on your part. Now if you're prepared to stop jerking around with your own private definitions, why don't you actually address your claim. It's not in the least tautological or analytical that "conscious experience is not an illusion."
(May 25, 2017 at 9:59 am)Hammy Wrote:(May 23, 2017 at 6:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: It appears that of the following three propositions only two can be true:
1) Conscious experience is not an illusion.(May 24, 2017 at 1:47 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Perhaps, but it's also quite possible that all three are false.
No it isn't. 1) absolutely cannot be false.
As has been patiently explained to you, there is a very real sense in which consciousness can be an illusion in the sense of not being what it appears to be. You're the one who introduced this claim that consciousness cannot be mistaken that it is conscious. That's a complete devolution from, "Conscious experience is not an illusion," into your own private hell which had nothing to do with whether consciousness can be an illusion and in which you're doing nothing but mouthing empty predicates. Consciousness as a subject has properties, and those properties represent to consciousness exactly what consciousness thinks itself to be. To say that "appearing is appearing, it's tautological" is just sidestepping the point to appear to be saying something unassailable. Your presumed cleverness is nothing but a distortion of the original predicate, which you claimed could not be false. All this "seeming is seeming" is just so much bizarre backpedaling on your part. Now if you're prepared to stop jerking around with your own private definitions, why don't you actually address your claim. It's not in the least tautological or analytical that "conscious experience is not an illusion."
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