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Sin and the Blame Game
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Sin and the Blame Game
(May 31, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: This " ideal" you speak of is love. Did not Jesus state that the greatest commandments were to love God with all your heart, and to love thy neighbor as thyself? Did he also not state that ALL the law and prophets hang on those two commandments?

I thought it was obedience, but it seems to me that the god of the Bible equivocates the two. God wanted total obedience, but failed to create humans capable of it. Again...this is god's failure, not ours.

Quote:What has God to do with your ability to love?

Well, that's an interesting question. If I am the product of a god's creation, then this god has literally everything to do with my abilities (or lack thereof) including my ability to love, and obey him.





(May 31, 2017 at 7:34 pm)Lek Wrote: A two year old doesn't know the difference between good and evil, but they know that if they disobey their parents they will be punished.

You would punish a two year old for disobedience? You're making my point for me, Lek. A two year old does not have the developmental capability to control his impulses and simply "obey". Is it fair to punish the child for failing to do something that he literally CANNOT do? That makes no sense.

Quote:Omniscience doesn't mean that God makes things happen, but rather that he knows what will happen.  He didn't cause Adam to disobey him, but Adam made that decision himself.  Knowing that mankind would choose to turn against him, God already planned to redeem us when he created us.  Why he wanted to do it that way, I don't know.

So, again...his decisions, his responsibility. There is no such thing as "sin." If we are the end-product of his design, and the design was flawed (intentionally or not), then there is nothing needs redeeming.



Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 30, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 30, 2017 at 10:48 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - May 30, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 31, 2017 at 7:35 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by ignoramus - May 30, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 9:47 am
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 9:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 2, 2017 at 9:34 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 19, 2017 at 11:19 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 19, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 10:28 am
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 20, 2017 at 10:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm

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