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Sin and the Blame Game
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game
Don't you think the bigger problem about eating forbidden fruit is that God lied. Woman said, "Of course, we may eat it; it is only the fruit from the tree of the center of the Garden that we may not eat. God says we must not eat it or touch it or we will die." And the Serpent says, "That's a lie! You will not die." So the question becomes, Did Adam and Eve die? No, they did not die. Now if we take God's comment literally, they should have died. And yet Gen. 5:5 says, "All the days that Adam lived were 930 years and he died." And Adam and Eve should not be punished for following the truth. The only reason they are punished is that God has more powerful magic..

So if god lies he is not perfect and if he is not perfect he can't be god.

But yeah if god wanted humans to behave certain way (like let's say saints) he should have made them that way and you can't say it's free will because are saints then lacking free will or were they made to choose "well"? And also in many places in the Bible it is actually said that everything is predetermined and there is no free will and what people will do and choose is already predetermined, like:

Ephesians 1:4-5 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will

Romans 8:29-30 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Ephesians 2:10, We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them;

Psalms 139:16 Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

and so on...
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 30, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 30, 2017 at 10:48 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - May 30, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 31, 2017 at 7:35 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by ignoramus - May 30, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 9:47 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Nay_Sayer - June 3, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 9:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Pat Mustard - June 7, 2017 at 6:06 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 11, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by downbeatplumb - June 18, 2017 at 8:31 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 18, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by downbeatplumb - June 19, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Mister Agenda - May 31, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Mister Agenda - June 1, 2017 at 7:26 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Drich - May 31, 2017 at 9:55 am
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 31, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Drich - June 1, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Fake Messiah - June 2, 2017 at 3:50 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Drich - June 2, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Harry Nevis - June 2, 2017 at 1:45 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 5:45 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - June 2, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Edwardo Piet - May 31, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - May 31, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - May 31, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - May 31, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - May 31, 2017 at 8:16 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 31, 2017 at 9:18 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - May 31, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 1, 2017 at 2:38 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 1, 2017 at 7:46 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 1, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by dyresand - June 1, 2017 at 12:06 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Amarok - June 1, 2017 at 12:09 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 1, 2017 at 3:41 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Fake Messiah - June 1, 2017 at 4:54 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Amarok - June 1, 2017 at 5:40 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Fake Messiah - June 1, 2017 at 6:05 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Amarok - June 1, 2017 at 6:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Fake Messiah - June 1, 2017 at 7:16 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Amarok - June 1, 2017 at 7:58 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Neo-Scholastic - June 1, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 1, 2017 at 10:59 am
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - June 1, 2017 at 4:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 1, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 5:52 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - June 2, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - June 2, 2017 at 8:27 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Harry Nevis - June 7, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 2, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 7:56 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 9:05 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 9:24 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 2, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 10:07 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - June 2, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2017 at 5:20 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 3, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Nihilist Virus - June 7, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by John V - June 7, 2017 at 7:57 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - June 7, 2017 at 8:26 am
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 7, 2017 at 8:05 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by John V - June 7, 2017 at 8:27 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 7, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 7, 2017 at 12:12 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 7, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by John V - June 9, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 8, 2017 at 8:03 am
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 8, 2017 at 8:06 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 14, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 17, 2017 at 8:31 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 18, 2017 at 8:40 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 18, 2017 at 8:49 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 18, 2017 at 8:56 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 18, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 18, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 18, 2017 at 9:18 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 18, 2017 at 9:26 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 19, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 19, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by downbeatplumb - June 19, 2017 at 5:41 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Succubus - June 19, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Minimalist - June 18, 2017 at 9:29 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by vorlon13 - June 18, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Whateverist - June 19, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 19, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 19, 2017 at 9:24 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 19, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 19, 2017 at 11:19 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 19, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 19, 2017 at 11:23 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Mister Agenda - June 20, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by downbeatplumb - June 20, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 20, 2017 at 10:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm

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