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Sin and the Blame Game
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game
(May 31, 2017 at 7:38 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(May 31, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't know about theists in general, but it seems I know it better than you. Adam and Eve hid after they ate the fruit, gaining the knowledge of good and evil, not before. The whole point of the story is that they were innocent before they ate the fruit, not even ashamed of being naked. Once they ate it they covered themselves and when they heard God pretending to look for them, they panicked and hid because now they knew what they had done was wrong.

If you had been paying attention to what I've stated in the past on this subject, then you'd know that Adam and Eve didn't eat literal fruit...

Whatever they did, the scene where they try to hide from God happened after it.

(May 31, 2017 at 7:34 pm)Lek Wrote: Omniscience doesn't mean that God makes things happen, but rather that he knows what will happen.  He didn't cause Adam to disobey him, but Adam made that decision himself.  Knowing that mankind would choose to turn against him, God already planned to redeem us when he created us.  Why he wanted to do it that way, I don't know.  That's his prerogative.  That's why the bible states that God's plan of salvation was eternal.  I believe that we each have it in us to accept or reject that gift.  His plan was that anyone who wanted to be with him would be and those who didn't would not be.  There was no "setting us up", but rather a basis to allow us to make that choice.

Yeah, God's omniscience would only make him responsible for what happened if he set up the initial conditions knowing what would happen....
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 30, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 30, 2017 at 10:48 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - May 30, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 31, 2017 at 7:35 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by ignoramus - May 30, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 9:47 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Nay_Sayer - June 3, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 9:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 7:08 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Chad32 - May 31, 2017 at 8:07 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 11, 2017 at 11:29 am
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 18, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by downbeatplumb - June 19, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Mister Agenda - May 31, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - May 31, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Mister Agenda - June 1, 2017 at 7:26 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Drich - May 31, 2017 at 9:55 am
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - May 31, 2017 at 10:12 am
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Harry Nevis - June 2, 2017 at 1:45 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 5:45 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - May 31, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 1, 2017 at 2:38 am
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 1, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 9:05 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 9:24 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 2, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 2, 2017 at 10:07 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 2, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Ravenshire - June 2, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2017 at 5:20 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Lek - June 3, 2017 at 12:00 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by The Grand Nudger - June 8, 2017 at 8:03 am
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Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 18, 2017 at 9:01 pm
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RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 19, 2017 at 11:19 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 19, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Cyberman - June 19, 2017 at 11:23 pm
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Mister Agenda - June 20, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by downbeatplumb - June 20, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Sin and the Blame Game - by LadyForCamus - June 20, 2017 at 10:52 am
RE: Sin and the Blame Game - by Huggy Bear - June 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm

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