A question about original sin.

[Judas BentHer]

(Today 06:39)Godschild Wrote: Man you sure wasted a lot of time with your nonsense, please try to spend it more wisely. I know you were trying to make a joke of innocence but you did not, only made yourself look... well silly. Innocence as in "not guilty." Also how is it that the Tree of Life was off limits, God told Adam that only the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was off limits. The reason God took the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden was so that man would not have to live eternally in sin. Who told you that we were paying for the sin of disobedience by Adam and Eve, this is not the case, we are responsible only for our sin and no one else sin. When Adam and Eve sinned against God it brought the nature of sin into this world and thus gave all of mankind the ability to sin, so you are responsible for your sin and I'm responsible for my sin and unforgiven sin is why one winds up in hell. Forgiveness only comes through the Son of God "our Christ" and is available to everyone who desires it.

Romans 5:18-19 (KJV)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Posted by Doubting Thomas
I believe even the Catholic church states that the Adam & Eve story is allegorical...

Yet, if the story of Adam and Eve were allegorical, and Adam is the cause of sin coming into the world, why then would Jesus have died to take away the worlds sins that were only here because of Adam's transgression in the garden?

I agree with the observation that the whole of the creation epic including the creation of sin is silly. While it is true that without that Christianity doesn't work.

The Satanist Anton LaVey was famous for having said, the Devil is the best friend the church ever had. He's kept them in business all these years.

So true. As long as people can be led to believe they're unworthy of the love of god for being born sinners, they'll strive to overcome that deficit in order to appease the god that made them so. And those who teach how that's done, afford themselves as the ministers of understanding the way, lead people to believe god need be worshiped and feared in order for the faithful to be in keeping with what it means to be wise and honor god, churches will always be a conduit between the damned and salvation.

What a lot of Christians fail to realize, when they argue that god is perfect and not at all like what he's described as being in the Bible, and that he's not responsible for sin coming into the world. He's not responsible for the fall of man from grace, is that god, being a supreme all knowing ever present all powerful creator of all things, made everything that is come to pass.

Through Adam sin was let to come into the world. But what would sin be if it wasn't for god's ordaining it so? Sin is that what is an offense against god. And yet, how can someone offend a supreme being that knows everything before it's to come to pass? And to offend the creator in the first place is to accept the creator created an imperfect being in mankind, which is impossible for a perfect immutable supreme being to do, save by it's will to do so.

Of course what's being argued here is man made fiction. Authored and compiled by different councils over the years many centuries past, so as to coral the sheep who believe it all to be true and officiate over them so that they feel their human nature is something to be ashamed and afraid of, less one offend the god that created imperfect humans in the beginning and their nature in the first place.

Imagine how free Christians would be if they did not first believe god does not approve of who they are.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

It's like unto the abused child scenario. The child thinks there's something wrong with them that causes their parent(s) to make them suffer so. And so the child, in order to atone for whatever it is they may do to offend their parent, cleave unto that parent in the hopes their striving to do their very best will please them so they no longer hurt the child.
But it never works. Because the problem is not with the child. The problem is that the parent is an abusive violent individual and the child is simply an excuse for that cowardice to show itself.

Sin would not exist if not for god's will making it so. And yet what are Christians really saving themselves from and for, if not that universal parent, cop, judge?

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.