(July 20, 2011 at 3:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:So can god interfere the world? If he can, than he didn't knew the whole plot.. If not he is not omnipotent... Here is a dilemma for you to deal with...(July 19, 2011 at 7:44 pm)annatar Wrote: So, are you saying god screwed over and over before he came up with the crucifixion idea? Or those stories didn't actually occurred? If so, the question is not addressing you, coz I need someone who believes those thins as real.God is timeless - he knew the whole plot outside of time. Some stories are not of actual events, no. The bible comprises many styles.
And by the way, If god knew all the things that will be, and haven't done anything, that makes him evil. As I said, sometimes doing nothing is the most terrible crime...
Quote:Thank you frodo, its such a relief to hear your consent..(July 19, 2011 at 7:44 pm)annatar Wrote: And the idea of everyone is sinner is pure bullshit. I don't know how you define sin but I've never harmed anyone directly or indirectly. If you think wanking is a sin, suit yourself...Your wanking is ok by me annatar. Please don't get hung up on that.
So... you are a perfect being? Congratulations on that.
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What one should or should not do to live sinless life then? You said everyone is a sinner so you ought to know what constitutes a sin. Please tell us!!
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No I am not perfect, but I've never done anything that would require atonement. And If I did such thing, it would be my responsibility and someone dying for me would not undo it.. Your idea of atonement doesn't make any sense in that way, and it leads people to think they are not responsible for their actions once saved, and also lead them to create absurd sins such as wanking
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So as I said, I am not perfect and crucifixion of Jesus does not make me one.
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Gandalf The Gray.