Conservative Atheism
June 16, 2017 at 5:49 pm
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2017 at 5:51 pm by Hammok Man.)
I posted a comment in another thread and Whateverist asked me a few questions:
I did vote for Donald Trump, had to hold my nose the whole time, but i got it done.
Trump is not what conservatives seek in a representative, he does have a few qualities though.
- He is not a professional politician
- He has real life business experience
- USA first, Pro USA attitude over all, Military, rework foreign trade deals and other policies to better help business in the USA.
- His stance on immigration is also popular among conservatives, deport illegals, keep people from terrorist hot spots out.
- Pro Tax cut
I may think of more later.
I do not think I have come across the 6 moral foundations, but i have seen similar lists.
1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance.
Is this referring to empathy? I try to treat people how I would like to be treated.
2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism. It generates ideas of justice, rights, and autonomy.
[Note: In our original conception, Fairness included concerns about equality, which are more strongly endorsed by political liberals. However, as we reformulated the theory in 2011 based on new data, we emphasize proportionality, which is endorsed by everyone, but is more strongly endorsed by conservatives]
I think this means that laws should be applied equally to all people regardless of our differences. If that is the core meaning of #2 then I believe in that statement.
3) Loyalty/betrayal: This foundation is related to our long history as tribal creatures able to form shifting coalitions. It underlies virtues of patriotism and self-sacrifice for the group. It is active anytime people feel that it's "one for all, and all for one."
I think loyalty is a crucial part of ones character, you can always tell who your true friends are when things go to hell.
4) Authority/subversion: This foundation was shaped by our long primate history of hierarchical social interactions. It underlies virtues of leadership and followership, including deference to legitimate authority and respect for traditions.
I am comfortable as a follower when the person leading is competent. I have moved my self into leadership positions when I feel i am the best person for a job. Rule by committee can be done but does not lend itself to quick decision making.
5) Sanctity/degradation: This foundation was shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. It underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, more noble way. It underlies the widespread idea that the body is a temple which can be desecrated by immoral activities and contaminants (an idea not unique to religious traditions).
We think there are several other very good candidates for "foundationhood," especially:
I typically follow the rules and guidelines of society, and like society my values have changed over the years. Some things i do not adhere to , but they do not harm anyone.
6) Liberty/oppression: This foundation is about the feelings of reactance and resentment people feel toward those who dominate them and restrict their liberty. Its intuitions are often in tension with those of the authority foundation. The hatred of bullies and dominators motivates people to come together, in solidarity, to oppose or take down the oppressor. We report some preliminary work on this potential foundation in [url=http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0042366][/url], on the psychology of libertarianism and liberty.
Part of this ties into #4 I have no problem being led by a competent leader. If rules are fairly enforced than I'll tolerate short term incompetence. I have been in situations where I have removed myself from the equation because of bad leadership with no way to rectify. I have also helped similar situations by aiding in the removal of incompetent leaders, or obstructions.
If i were to put them in order for how i live my life it would be:
#2
#4
#3
#5
#1
#6
I did vote for Donald Trump, had to hold my nose the whole time, but i got it done.
Trump is not what conservatives seek in a representative, he does have a few qualities though.
- He is not a professional politician
- He has real life business experience
- USA first, Pro USA attitude over all, Military, rework foreign trade deals and other policies to better help business in the USA.
- His stance on immigration is also popular among conservatives, deport illegals, keep people from terrorist hot spots out.
- Pro Tax cut
I may think of more later.
I do not think I have come across the 6 moral foundations, but i have seen similar lists.
1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance.
Is this referring to empathy? I try to treat people how I would like to be treated.
2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism. It generates ideas of justice, rights, and autonomy.
[Note: In our original conception, Fairness included concerns about equality, which are more strongly endorsed by political liberals. However, as we reformulated the theory in 2011 based on new data, we emphasize proportionality, which is endorsed by everyone, but is more strongly endorsed by conservatives]
I think this means that laws should be applied equally to all people regardless of our differences. If that is the core meaning of #2 then I believe in that statement.
3) Loyalty/betrayal: This foundation is related to our long history as tribal creatures able to form shifting coalitions. It underlies virtues of patriotism and self-sacrifice for the group. It is active anytime people feel that it's "one for all, and all for one."
I think loyalty is a crucial part of ones character, you can always tell who your true friends are when things go to hell.
4) Authority/subversion: This foundation was shaped by our long primate history of hierarchical social interactions. It underlies virtues of leadership and followership, including deference to legitimate authority and respect for traditions.
I am comfortable as a follower when the person leading is competent. I have moved my self into leadership positions when I feel i am the best person for a job. Rule by committee can be done but does not lend itself to quick decision making.
5) Sanctity/degradation: This foundation was shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. It underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, more noble way. It underlies the widespread idea that the body is a temple which can be desecrated by immoral activities and contaminants (an idea not unique to religious traditions).
We think there are several other very good candidates for "foundationhood," especially:
I typically follow the rules and guidelines of society, and like society my values have changed over the years. Some things i do not adhere to , but they do not harm anyone.
6) Liberty/oppression: This foundation is about the feelings of reactance and resentment people feel toward those who dominate them and restrict their liberty. Its intuitions are often in tension with those of the authority foundation. The hatred of bullies and dominators motivates people to come together, in solidarity, to oppose or take down the oppressor. We report some preliminary work on this potential foundation in [url=http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0042366][/url], on the psychology of libertarianism and liberty.
Part of this ties into #4 I have no problem being led by a competent leader. If rules are fairly enforced than I'll tolerate short term incompetence. I have been in situations where I have removed myself from the equation because of bad leadership with no way to rectify. I have also helped similar situations by aiding in the removal of incompetent leaders, or obstructions.
If i were to put them in order for how i live my life it would be:
#2
#4
#3
#5
#1
#6
