RE: A question about original sin.
July 22, 2011 at 10:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2011 at 10:47 pm by C Rod.)
(July 22, 2011 at 12:30 pm)Judas BentHer Wrote: Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast (Psalm 139:7-10, NIV).
The jist of you somehow attempting to label God with a set of extreme semantics that contradict themselves in which you truly do not know the party at hand. God can do "more" but if you say he contradicts himself because your semantics of unknown things say "more" is not possible because surly we know what "more" is. That verse shows God can be wherever and whenever he wants in his domains(Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool) what about outside those, what about others, can we say he is onmi when he created the heavens and the earth from outside the heavens and the earth but does not mention that "realm" or shall i indefinitely assume otherwise? Human speculation that contradicts can not be true for something we truly know nothing about.
Quote:Choice and free will does not elude the atheist...They presumably had a desire to become like God, since this - theosis - is what they were created for(put ahead of all the creation). When the serpent tempted Eve, his deception made the desire to become like God seem to be in competition with obedience to God. So, it is possible that her desire was to obey rather than disobey, but that she gave precedence to the desire for theosis and so chose disobedience. They sin because opportunity arose form the devil who seeks to become God himself.
That does not mean God made them "defective" in knowledge - it simply means they were unable to understand it fully because they had not experienced it. They had to "grow into it", so to speak. In a situation of temptation, we have a choice, and when we choose wrongly, we sin. God called out to Adam and Eve after their fall, even though He could have found them easily. The same pattern is repeated when Cain murders his brother: God asks him where Abel is, giving Cain the chance to accept guilt and repent. Cain, however, has nothing to offer God except lies, self-justification and reproof for asking such a question.
Adam was created with the potential to become perfect but he was not yet perfected. That might be a better assumption of humans.
Quote:The Bible gives claims to that what inspires faith. God is not a fact...True but the the claim of a God is fact through the Bible same with all the events in the book. They may be false but are claimed to be true.
Quote:He tempted the first of our kind by design...You are treating evil as if it is a thing, material that he creates and enjoys. But evil is the absence of good like silence is the absence of sound.
Augustus said it well, "For when the will abandons what is above itself, and turns to what is lower, it becomes evil--not because that is evil to which it turns, but because the turning itself is wicked." Choice is good but what rests in knowledge is the discernment between whether you should have choice or not, this we claim is God's fault when it is good. To say that you and the "morally" upright are seeking good is to say i am being unselfish so that i may be thoroughly selfish, which is silly. [/b]I want to know why one ought not to be selfish?
Quote:Throughout the Bible god exhibits an evil demeanor...If god hates sin, then why did he create it to come into being?...Evil and sin are never considered, in Scripture, as "things" or "not things." They are considered to be actions and consequences. Actions and consequences are cause and effects of choice. All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin. [b]
"What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory"Rom 9:22-23
This you ignore as irrational or because it perplexes you.
Once again this sums it up, in which you presume that this life is all there is. And what are you to call to compare God to, your contradictory assumptions of perfection?
Quote:faith...Faith gives me hope in which my hope saves but that hope that is seen is no hope at all for who has hope in what they already have?
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart
"You are wise, witty and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of stuff.”- Frank Crane
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart
"You are wise, witty and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of stuff.”- Frank Crane
