RE: A Quote For Atheist to consider :
July 23, 2011 at 1:27 am
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2011 at 1:32 am by GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince.)
(July 23, 2011 at 1:18 am)whateverist Wrote: I don't really know what to say about your question but I'd like to ask you one. My brother is a bible guy too and I know it appalls him as well to imagine that everything just was and then evolved to become what we see today. Like you, I take it, he thinks everything really needs to be explained or else we really are living in a magical world where things pop into existence and transforms with no apparent rhyme or reason and yet comes together in such a purposeful, seemingly well-designed way. How's that going to happen without a designer/maker/creator/call-it-what-you-will?
But how is imagining a magical being who pulls everything out of nothing and then arranges carefully so that it will continue in static perfection forever really any better? If it is indefensible to just assume that everything always existed and then transforms through internal interaction, how do believers get off assuming that there are magical beings who have always existed and then impart order to the stuff they bring into existence. Isn't it just kicking the question of origins down the road? It reminds me of some hindu explanation of the world that imagines it as existing on the back of a horse that stands on the back of an elephant that stands on the back of a turtle. When pressed to say what the turtle stands on the hindu teacher answers "it's just turtles all the way down". Doesn't god need a creator too? It's pretty convenient to say "well god was here first, everything else is his idea." How is that any better? An honest Christian would say "that's right but it is just what I choose to believe". Why are there so few honest christians?
Because your a human and all you know is that everything in your world has some beginning. You can't comprehend that something could have no beginning nor end and just always was. God is the one who created the laws of what you see and therefore does not have to abide by them. Thats why its hard for you to comprehend God.
(July 23, 2011 at 1:25 am)theVOID Wrote:(July 23, 2011 at 1:18 am)GodIsRealOrNothingMakesSince Wrote: I know very much about Atheism. Believe me. I'm the biggest science dork on this sorta stuff. Not saying this makes me know all about it or that i learned all stuff from this but i spend like hours a day watching the discovery channel and science channel and listen to everything on it. I'm not just spewing this stuff out my butt. I'm different than probably th other radicals that come on here. I'm not just spewing crap and then leaving. Im trying to have an intellectual debate.
Considering you thought that quote was an accurate representation I'd say that is all bullshit.
Oh, you watched the discovery channel? how precious.
Neither of those stations have much at all to do with atheism, sure they're about science and most atheists see science as the best available tool for discovering facts about reality, but that doesn't mean that by learning something about science you have learned something about atheism.
Tell me, why should we believe you that a God exists?
Science and atheism must be one otherwise what is your basis for your beliefs? What evidence do you have to support it if science is not apart of Atheism?
