RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
June 20, 2017 at 9:27 am
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2017 at 9:39 am by henryp.)
(June 20, 2017 at 12:56 am)Khemikal Wrote:(June 20, 2017 at 12:10 am)wallym Wrote:No, that's some nonsense you concocted in order to knock down, par for the course at this point.
You're argument is:
Quote:Trump took a subset of X actions (we'll call these Y)-Therefore Trump took a subset of hitlers actions. Fixed that for you. That's bad enough, for me. Y is a dealbreaker @ Potus. I don't have to wait for him to get to Z and gas a jew.
In the definitions I said "Hitler took a set of X actions" And then said Trump took a subset of X actions, we'll call Y. I'm curious what exactly you think you fixed?
(June 20, 2017 at 2:51 am)Whateverist Wrote:(June 20, 2017 at 12:10 am)wallym Wrote: Oh man, you have no idea what I've been talking about this whole time. That's pretty funny.
You're argument is:
Hitler is evil on a super serious level.
Hitler took a set of X actions.
Trump took a subset of X actions (we'll call these Y)
Therefore Trump is evil.
The only one here saying these kinds of vague generalities (my bolded) is you. I'm not saying Trump is evil. I don't go around looking to find evil in the world. That is such a useless abstraction and holdover from religion.
But undermining the press, seeking to substitute propaganda instead, that is concrete and specific.
I'll bet even Nixon, in the throes of Watergate, if asked about the function of a free press would have intelligible things to say in favor. Not Trump. He doesn't think about things like that, probably wouldn't understand it. He is just looking to get his way at any cost - a perfectly good parallel to draw with Hitler.
Of course Hitler isn't the only historical figure to share Trump's low regard for a free press. Indeed the press was not free under Stalin. But Stalin's approach didn't depend on warping public opinion the way Hitler did and Trump would like to do. Stalin was more brutal. He didn't need to win hearts and minds. Thus Hitler makes for the closer parallel.
Probably not possible to break through your cognitive dissonance anyway but please do try to note that I have not said Trump = Hitler, nor have I said Trump = Evil and Hitler = Evil. No one here but you has made such a global statement.
So here's the riddle. Ignoring that Trump calling members of the press names on Twitter and Hitler abolishing the press, and I assume murdering anyone who writes anything negative aren't really 'parallel'....what is the relevance?
For example:
I like Pickles.
and you say
Hitler also liked pickles.
I assume that'd be a non-sequitur. You are not saying anything about me, or liking pickles. Just sharing random knowledge for no real reason.
Trump doesn't like the press.
and you say
Hitler also didn't like the press.
Is this also just a non-sequitur? Or are you implying something? If you're not implying anything, then the 'parallels' to Hitler are irrelevant random knowledge. But I assume there are implications. Would you like to share what they are?