Objective morality as a proper basic belief

[Little Henry]

If that is the case, then it seems incoherent to condemn such acts.

How it seems to you is a good example of something you take to be factual, which is non-factual.

I dont follow what you are saying. I am saying, if morality is subjective, then how can you condemn moral acts as being right or wrong if morality is subjective?

We know taste in food is subjective, if ISIS members ate a food you disliked, would you condemn them and say them eating and enjoying that food is wrong?

Is it babies?

If morality is subjective, then what does it matter?

So if morality is also subjective, why would you say it is wrong what ISIS members do when they rape little girls?

Even for a person who sees morality as a wholly subjective affair..they still have their own subjective morality and their subjective morality probably contains the moral judgement "rape is wrong, child molestation is wrong"

If something is subjective, then it cannot be right or wrong. The words right and wrong only exist in relation to facts. 

I mean, you will never say it is wrong if they eat and enjoy a food you dislike, so why you say they are doing something wrong if they rape a little girl?

Well, again, are the eating babies?  People say that rape is wrong because that's an accurate representation of their moral judgement in the matter in question.

But if morality is subjective, it cannot be right or wrong.

If you really believed morality is subjective, then when you hear that they rape little girls, you would respond in a way such as "well, i find that disgusting, but its not wrong".

That;s not at all what a person who accepted a subjective morality would do.  Obviously, they;d tell you that rape is wrong, if their subjective morality said that rape was wrong?

Wrong according to what? Right or wrong only exist in relation to facts.

Is that what you believe?

Me, personally?  No.  I think that morality can be objective, at least.. and that rape is wrong.  Most of the people you will find here also think that rape is wrong, even if they think that morality is subjective.  Let's use your woeful food analogy.

If I told you that I thought chocolate was better than vanilla....and you said "well, that's just like, your opinion..man" - I'd say.."yes, yes that -is- my opinion....."  The same is true of a person who holds a subjective morality.  A person who holds (or accepts that they hold) a ubjective morality can say to you..rape is wrong, and when you pull the lebowski on them..they'll look at you like you have a dick growing out of your forehead and say

"Yes, it -is- my opinion that rape is wrong"

They'll also wonder if, just maybe, you have a little girl in your basement.

Your problem here is that you cannot use the words right or wrong in regards to non facts.

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Hi LH.

I notice that like to set up a scenario that supports your position but I don't think it came with much thought. Not to many people are concerned with the morals of eating, unless you run up against a militant vegan or PETA member. Try eating meat around them and see is your are not morally judged. How's your food analogy now?

As to the rape and murder scenarios, you've certainly picked a couple of extremes that (I believe) almost all people would say is morally wrong. But morals get applied to more than just rape and murder. Stealing, lying, cheating, gambling, killing (murders lesser cousin), war, stem cells, abortion, gambling, sex, .......... Would you like to tell us your moral positions on these issues when considered in a range of situations? 

If you are honest I believe that you will have to admit that when looking at gambling (an easy one to pick) the moral aspect is subjective (I say it exists on a sliding scale). So if I'm a total ass and gamble every day to excess to the harm of myself and my family or work most would say I am wrong. If I buy a lottery ticket once a week and harm no one am I wrong to the same extent? It's still gambling. Can you take a moral factual position?

So, are you honest (watch out, moral people are watching)?

You only have to show 1 example of OM to illustrate that OM exists.