RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2017 at 11:33 am by Parsim0ny.)
(June 25, 2017 at 11:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: What do you mean? It's your argument, not mine. If that's true, then there is no perfect being.Why do you conclude that there is no perfect being ? The assumption that a creator exists doesn't mean that He have to provide an independent proof of his existence for everyone. A math teacher doesn't need to travel around the world to demonstrate that the Pythagorean theorem holds, because it's already there for everyone : in a Geometry book. Similarly, those who claim that God doesn't show himself just assume that the Qur'an is not proof enough despite the fact that he literally challenges every non-believer to come up with his own Qur'an, and if you truly studied the content of the Qur'an, you'll know that he directly condemned Muhammad's paternal uncle Abu lahab to hell while he was still alive, all he had to do was to portray himself as a Muslim and Muhammad will be directly proved to be an imposter. How can a rational person possibly risk himself to be exposed by inventing such verses ? or maybe he wasn't inventing them ?
(June 25, 2017 at 11:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: What was the context, then?
Nothing wrong with basing your own beliefs on theirs..I mean, unless you think their beliefs are batshit crazy and illogical...which you do...then their problems become your problems. The trinity is not an exhaustive list of batshit things they believe. They also believe that the earliest bible was the word of god..when in fact it was the word of a bunch of trinity believing proto-catholics, stolen in large part from a dead heretic who would have thought that both of you were....shall we say, uninformed?
I have to ask, is that question a wheedling and instant retraction of your comments about those verses being taken out of context? Would it be fair, of me, to suspect that you know that those verses referred to exactly that borrowing...and that you know that the borrowing occurred?
Well, the trinity is their problem, not ours. We simply believe that they were initially right. The verses you quoted simply stated some of the polytheists claims : that Muhammad was simply repeating tales of the ancients in his book. The verses didn't acknowledge that at all.
Yes, thoses verses refer to the fact that Muhammad presumably borrowed from ancient books, but not the Bible specifically. And the Qur'an immediately responds to this claim afterwards, by stating that his sayings are the word of an all-knowing god.
