Is atheism self-contradictory ?

[Parsim0ny]

Why do you conclude that there is no perfect being ?

You just told us that a perfect being couldn't leave his creation without guidance.  That's how.

I suggest you take a moment to think about what I'm saying and resist the urge to reply quickly with anything. I said that a perfect being can't leave his creation without guidance, because absolute fairness is one of his attributes. It follows that there HAS to be some kind of a connection between Him and his creatures. I don't see how this means that He doesn't exist.

Who cares, we're not talking about math teachers or geometry books...it was your comment, your argument - that a perfect being could not leave it's creation without guidance.  Be satisfied that it's accurate or rephrase it.

Then it is clear that you didn't understand my argument, so I'll repeat it again : an absolutely fair God must guide his creatures towards Him, this does NOT imply that he should prove himself to everyone of them independently, because only under that assumption we can say God doesn't exist because it didn't happen. But since you don't care about any of this, I won't waste anymore time repeating it to you either. 

I'm not sure what you think that means.......like, write a better book?  The Curious George series qualifies.  Maybe the Good Doctor Suess?  Hell, Where's Waldo counts and it only has two words.

Except no believer rejected the Qur'an or was convinced of his imitability because The Curious George series or Where's Waldo were more accurate.

Yeah, alot of people think that their uncles are going to hell.  I'm not sure what you think this proves..or even what it;s in response to?

You're right, a rational person wouldn't risk himself  to be exposed by inventing such verses (or at least wouldn;t risk his uncle, I guess?).  I guess that means that whomever ghostwrote for "Mohamed" wasn't a rational person.  Thanks for clearing that up, I'd been wondering.

Again, you didn't understand the argument, you're just replying. Saying that Muhammad wasn't rational is absolute nonsense, the man successfully convinced thousands of his contemporaries - and 1.6 billion people currently - that he was the Messenger of God, united the whole Arabian Peninsula under one flag, then defeated the Great Powers of his time : the Roman and Sasanian Empires. What do you need more from him to prove to you that he was rational ? Yes, Muhammad was a very rational person, and you don't need to be a Muslim to acknowledge that.
Now imagine this same rational person saying to someone that he's going to Hell because he rejects the message of Islam for non-rational reasons WHILE THIS PERSON IS STILL ALIVE. ALL he had to do is to claim that he's a muslim, all muslims will therefore know that Muhammad was mistaken in predicting that Abu Lahab will never become a Muslim, therfore Muhammad is lying to them. Is that rational to you ?

Well, the trinity is their problem, not ours. We simply believe that they were initially right. The verses you quoted simply stated some of the polytheists claims : that Muhammad was simply repeating tales of the ancients in his book. The verses didn't acknowledge that at all.

So........I got the context exactly right, then, is what you're saying?  Yeah, I know.  You knew that too......so?

In any case, it's good to see you eliminated the problem of the trinity.  One down....the entirety of your religion to go.

No, you got it all wrong. You claimed that the Qur'an recorded that Muhammad quoted specifically from Christian books. It turned out that this wasn't the exact meaning of the verses. 


And good luck with bringing the entirety of my religion down, I'll be glad.

Actually, it responds by stating that his words are in arabic.  The bar was obviously low at the time.  It then goes on to waffle, like all religions waffle, about how you won't see until you believe, and if you believed you would see.

No, buddy. After the verse 5. 25. here's how the Qur'an responds : 6. Say, “It was revealed by He who knows the Secret in the heavens and the earth. He is always Forgiving and Merciful.”.

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Completely wrong.  As far as I can see Big Mo is no more real than jesus, or moses.  Just another mouthpiece for some god.  Thus, I do not condemn your boy for raping 9 year olds or slaughtering unbelievers because these things did not happen.  They were created as apparently examples of good behavior by the morons who invented Big Mo in the first place.  Now, stop being a fool and go try some bacon.  It will improve your life and then wash it down with a beer.  Muslims have to be the most, dour, unhappy, uptight people in the world!

Completely wrong.