Is atheism self-contradictory ?

[Parsim0ny]

Sorry, just not a slow witted person.  If a perfect being can't leave his creation without guidance, then there is no perfect being.  This, assuming, ofc, we're the creation of some being.  The notion that there just has to be some kind of a connection doesn't follow from that statement.  It;s a complete non-sequitur.  

Okay, I'll ask you for one last time, PLEASE prove to me the conclusion in bold. You're now simply repeating what you said earlier.

Do you expect a muslim to stop being a muslim for reading about a monkey?  I mean, what are you really saying here, other than that muslims are thick headed, honestly?

Now you're starting to understand the argument. Since a random story about a monkey isn't qualified to to bring down Qur'an as the best literary achievement in Arabic, you need to make a better one. So good luck with that.

Again, you didn't understand the argument, you're just replying. Saying that Muhammad wasn't rational is absolute nonsense,

You're the one that said it, you just didn't want to follow through..just like the bit above.  Instead, you launched off into a non-sequitur....jjust like you did above.

If no rational person would do x, and a person does x...then that person is not rational.

the man successfully convinced thousands of his contemporaries -

Just like every disgraced televangelist.... ?

 and 1.6 billion people currently

"He" didn't do that, you're really not giving credit where credit is due.....and really, does it matter how many likes and subs he got?  This is an argument ad popolum.  An appeal to the masses.  Just because alot of people believe something..doesn't mean that it's true.  How many people believe in the trinity..in your estimation?  

- that he was the Messenger of God,

Well, -a- messenger of god.  It;s good that there were others or he;d have been super short on material, amiright or amiright?

I'm not trying to prove to you that Muhammad is right, or that he is truly a messenger of God. I'm simply stating some of his achievements, regardless of the morality of his actions. 


You said "If no rational person would do x, and a person does x...then that person is not rational." This is true as far as you ASSUME that Muhammad wrote the Qur'an, you're simply begging the question.

You mean to say, here, that he was a warlord....and that this somehow establishes his credentials as gods pr secretary?  Speaking of the romans...they conquered the world...did that mean that they were the pagan gods pr secretaries?  Does this establish the veracity of -their- god beliefs...in your estiomation?

What do you need more from him to prove to you that he was rational ?

-Anything to show that he was rational...and definitely not some argument from one of his believers that no rational person would do what he did.  Seems counter-productive.

You are disregarding the argument and stating your personal perspective about him. I still didn't even claim that he was right or that he's a perfect person. I said his known achievements in history are sufficient to prove that he was rational.