(June 25, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Astonished Wrote: Dude, you can't prove a negative, so any old bullshit claim can't be disproved 100%. It's just the nature of how stupid the entire argument is.I'm certainly not asking you to disprove anything, and it's worth pointing out that no god believer has to believe, also, that anyone has to disprove their god.
Quote:And I pointed out that if there is a god, a deist (uncaring) or theist (gives a shit what we do) god, they are not good, that simply cannot be argued so your response to that (which wasn't a question, it was a statement; there was only one question in my post) was unnecessary.An evil god would still be a god, don't you think? People have believed in plenty of evil gods.
Quote:And if at least one god in whatever pantheon is being proposed can't be responsible for creation in any respect, their existence is as pointless as the belief in them, and the term 'god' doesn't really fit as it carries certain implications. Unless you want to make the distinction between Titans like Cronos who created everything and the Greek pantheon came after, but that's just word salad which is beneath a rationalist.\
The greeks saw fit to make a distinction. Their gods were not creator gods. They were hardly alone in that. I'm simply mentioning that any argument as to problems with creator gods (or that we were not created by gods) have limited applicability.
Quote:And the issue of there being no compulsion is irrelevant when it comes to actual theists peddling their horseshit; I can't respect a deist who is really doing nothing but lending passive support to the whole insane notion. No one who's practicing deism is doing it 'right', in that sense, at least when it comes to the secular humanist perspective.
Allow, for a moment, the notion that the theists you know are not representative of all theists, that their beliefs are not the same as the beliefs of those other theists. I'm not, in this thread, looking to excuse shitty behavior from people who believe, only mentioning that it isn't a requirement of belief - and that believers behaving badly doesn't tell us anything about whether or not there is a god.
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