RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 27, 2017 at 10:25 am
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2017 at 11:09 am by Mister Agenda.)
Parsim0ny Wrote:Minimalist Wrote:Trust me on this, mon ami. You do not want to know what I think of the "prophet of islam."
I talked to many atheists before joining this forum and I know exactly what you think of him, but here's the thing : you cannot condemn anything he did or anyone's wrongdoings since nothing is "immoral" outside belief systems.
So go ahead, tell me exactly what I think of Mohammed. I mean you talked to many atheists, and learned that we all think alike, so you should be able to back up your claim that you know exactly what I think of Mohamed.
And I have a belief system, and I don't see any problem condemning anything he did that was immoral, if he actually did anything immoral.
Parsim0ny Wrote:Also if objective moral truths exist - and you are compelled to believe that at least one does exist because only then you can say Muhammad violated moral codes because he did this or that - this would immediately warrant a supernatural explanation - according to the atheist philosopher J.L. Mackie, and this directly leads us to the famous argument from morality.
That objective moral truths require a supernatural explanation is a claim, not an argument. And, as usual, it's a claim you haven't bothered to even try to support.
There's lots of atheist philosophers...a LOT of atheist philosophers. Why should I agree with Mackie? If you say 'because we're both atheists', you need to reexamine your whole life.
Tazzycorn Wrote:Ask yourself this, if it weren't for the extremely repressive and autocratic governments of the Arab world, would you be following the "biography" of a self confessed child rapist?
As a nit, not 'self-confessed'. The story of Aisha's underage marriage is from a hadith, and the Shia vigorously contest its authenticity.
Parsim0ny Wrote:You didn't answer my question. Also, it seems that nothing can be said or done to talk you out of any stereotype you hold against Islam. If your mind is already made up about this religion, you're wasting time by coming here and stating unproven allegations and/or talking about how Islam should like according to your tastes. Finally, it's marriage, not rape ; even the most extremist interpretations of Islamic history rule out the possibility that Muhammad actually forced Aisha to marry him.
You know, you don't have to believe Aisha was nine when she was married. It's just a hadith, not claimed to be perfect or authored by God. There were political reasons for wanting Aisha to be very young when she married Mohamed, since it would make her being the transmitter of Islam seem more miraculous. You don't have to believe that hadith to be a good Muslim.
Parsim0ny Wrote:Also note that the assertion "There's no such truth as objective truth" is self-contradictory, since the assertion itself is either objectively true or not, if it is true, the it contradicts itself, if it's not, then there is actually an objective truth.
Get back to us on that 'gotcha' when someone here actually says it.
Parsim0ny Wrote: How embarassing for me to despise inserting one's sexual organ in where shit literally comes from
How embarrassing for you to consider it worse than child rape, or to consider your personal disgust to be a justification for oppressing homosexuals. And btw, a lot of heterosexuals insert their sexual organs into the same orifice.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.