RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
July 1, 2017 at 10:50 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2017 at 10:57 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(July 1, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Little Henry Wrote: Your preference or desire doesnt make something right or wrong.
This is a strawman. Morality can be arrived at through means of reason rather than emotion, so long as we regard the good life as axiomatic.
I will assume that you, as a Christian, do regard the sanctity of life as axiomatic. Correct if me if I'm wrong on either count.
(July 1, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Astonished Wrote:(July 1, 2017 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Why are you talking about hair? I'm talking about moral subjectivity. Do you really not grasp that?
If you are using different value judgements for the same act based on who the actor is, you are practicing moral relativity. This horseshit about ontology is irrelevant.
Try extrapolating it out to different nations and maybe that will help, and remove god from the equation (although Israeli schoolchildren were tested in this way and said it wasn't wrong for a god-backed army to do the same thing as a Chinese army that they did consider wrong). Is it wrong for X nation to gas the minority population that disagrees with the ruling party, but not for Y nation to do the same? If not then there's no way to justify any other party's immunity to this. Distinctions destroy the entire argument.
I think it's wrong for any nation to gas any minority population for any reason. But that's just me. Clearly the Germans didn't think the same in WWII ... and they were overwhelmingly Christian.
What, again, was your point? That morality is objective based on how we know what we know?
Fact is, humans most often adjudge the morality of any action 1) based on how they sit in the equation, 2) how creepy it makes them feel, and 3) how they've been programmed by their societies.
All three aspects speak to subjectivity.
Rather than toss about spurious crap, make your case for moral objectivity plainly. Quit muddying the waters, and clarify the conversation, if you'd be so kind.
