(July 2, 2017 at 1:48 am)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. have read all of Ruse i'll ever need to he's wrong
2. You have said relevance to anything I have said repeating what have already said does not help you
3. For the love of Kermit the frog learn term terms
http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11727
Summed up I don't care 28 pages have proven how much you suck at defending objective morality . And this is coming from a moral realist
Quote:Goodness is grounded in Gods nature and his commands flow from that.For the love of pastry this DOES NOT DEFEAT THE PROBLEM it only moves it back idiot.
(July 2, 2017 at 2:59 am)Astreja Wrote:Ok, so therefore if you got raped, while it maybe undesirable to you, the rapist hasnt done anything wrong. Is this your view?(July 2, 2017 at 2:07 am)Little Henry Wrote: Which is just as valid as the offender who subjectively wants to rape you.
If their is no objective right or wrong, then its just preferences and desires.
You not wanting to be raped is just as valid as the rapist who wants to rape you.
Objective means it is true or right regardless of what anyone thinks about it.
It *is* all preferences and desires. There is no getting away from that. Fortunately, in stable and successful cultures the vast majority of people tend to see rapists as criminals.
Objective morality is a totally useless hypothetical concept because it has no more effect on actual behaviour than does subjective morality. It's the philosophical equivalent of a Trojan horse whereby believers such as yourself attempt to smuggle your god into an argument. I don't see your alleged god zapping would-be rapists in the crotch and burning off their testicles, do you?
Something that is undesirable doesnt make it wrong.
Who cares if it makes societies and cultures more stable. Still doesnt make it right or wrong.
It is not useless, because we all live our lives as if OM exists, hence that is why it is a proper basic belief.