RE: Typical theists versus typical atheists
July 5, 2017 at 6:31 am
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2017 at 7:15 am by KerimF.)
(July 3, 2017 at 4:29 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 3, 2017 at 3:55 pm)JackRussell Wrote:
(July 3, 2017 at 4:11 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Well i know that's not true. Have spoken to NT Christians that have disagreed upon that. I have spoken to a NT Christian about my works as a decent monkey and he gave me a pass, sincerely. Another said, sorry but no free pass, despite doing good. Both backed with scripture.
It really isn't difficult to ascertain that one does not get a free pass on works alone. It is literally in just about every chapter of the NT.
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(July 3, 2017 at 4:11 pm)JackRussell Wrote:
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So, you are told, that Jesus Christ came to the world not to teach the truth only (to those who might be born of the Spirit too), but to also provide a new tool of Magic by which men can be saved. This reminds me my Muslim friends who are told to believe/repeat certain magical expressions to get Allah's virgins in paradise.
(July 5, 2017 at 6:17 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(July 5, 2017 at 6:12 am)KerimF Wrote: I guess, one just needs to ask the person who is presenting himself as Christian:
"Are you always ready to (and/or allowed to, in case he is a politician, soldier, lawyer... etc.) love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you, and persecute you".
If his answer is a clear YES then he is a real independent disciple of Jesus Christ; otherwise he is just a follower of a certain Christian organization/system (called a denomination or Church in general) created by men in the name of Jesus..
Let's me out, then.
Boru
After all, you certainly play an important role in life without the need to love anyone; excluding perhaps the sexual love which is much like the carrot that encourage men/women to work continuously
(July 5, 2017 at 5:43 am)JackRussell Wrote:(July 5, 2017 at 5:38 am)KerimF Wrote: You are right.
But, to me in the least, the most important 'device/system' I got in life is 'my being'.
Now, should the results I got from my Device Under Test (my being) be similar to the results of any other one?
And, in case they are different, should I believe what some others say about my being more than what I personally discovered/perceived about it?
If I ignored/denied my personal methods that I have applied on my being, I would have no choice but following some others based on faith as a theist or atheist.
Sorry KerimF, I am really not following your argument. Can you give me an example of something you would have no choice but to take on faith because of your personal experience? I am saying that faith is the cop out. It's better to take no position on faith but sometimes just admit that you don't know.
Of course you couldn't follow what I tried to say if you think I have analysed my being (DUT; done actually from many angles and under many experiences) based on faith and not as I use doing with any other device of interest at work, as a designer in electronic.
So, for example, even if the entire world (theists and atheists) will reject the teachings/hints of Jesus, I won't do it because it happens that Jesus already agreed with me, since about 2000 years, on all what I have discovered about my being and the 'real' world. In other words, if I do it, I would be the naïve person who rejects himself to please some other men
