Jormangandr certainly speaks far more clearly and eloquently than I could ever hope to.
I am kind of sick of the rape thing, as I was raped as a child over the course of nearly 3 years. The person that raped me was a theist. I cannot prove that to you, I am just a random person on the internet, but I am not interested in being untruthful.
Morality is about personal responsibility and wellbeing. This is why we treat minors in a different way to adults that break the law.
I am not interested in clever sophistry, I am interested in what works in the real world. Secular morality, a morality that go develop in the light of new information and better evidence is preferable to a morality by fiat.
I am reminded of Hitchen's question: can you name a moral action that a theist could follow that a non-theist couldn't also. But religion can certainly make a good person do bad things.
Slavery is fine in the bible, was fine in most of the world until recently, and sadly continues. I would rather be part of a system that seeks to end this than part of a system that can still justify this if it wants too.
I am not a deep thinker, like some that post here on both sides of the divide, but I am human, I try to be moral and I have never experienced any gods.
I am kind of sick of the rape thing, as I was raped as a child over the course of nearly 3 years. The person that raped me was a theist. I cannot prove that to you, I am just a random person on the internet, but I am not interested in being untruthful.
Morality is about personal responsibility and wellbeing. This is why we treat minors in a different way to adults that break the law.
I am not interested in clever sophistry, I am interested in what works in the real world. Secular morality, a morality that go develop in the light of new information and better evidence is preferable to a morality by fiat.
I am reminded of Hitchen's question: can you name a moral action that a theist could follow that a non-theist couldn't also. But religion can certainly make a good person do bad things.
Slavery is fine in the bible, was fine in most of the world until recently, and sadly continues. I would rather be part of a system that seeks to end this than part of a system that can still justify this if it wants too.
I am not a deep thinker, like some that post here on both sides of the divide, but I am human, I try to be moral and I have never experienced any gods.
