(July 6, 2017 at 10:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I somehow doubt that you have clarity of thought on this issue, Astonished.
In any case, no Tiz - they aren't the same, but since no one is suggesting..as far as I can tell, that a man should be able to force some girl to have an abortion..I don't know why that matters? Both parents can do 100 things to prevent pregnancy, but that's the sort of small minded "you should have done this or that" thinking that leads inexorably to misery and we don't accept it as a rationale for preventing women from having abortions. We do not, as a society, feel that we can force a person to become a parent..unless that person is swinging richard, apparently. People could have done this or that, sure, but they didn't and don't...so now what?
Well, a female can abort, and both parents can put a child up for adoption. Notice that one of these two things doesn't require the fathers consent? If a male had some means available to him to opt out, and indicated a desire to do so...that probably ought to factor into whether or not the female carries the child to term...don't you think? I mean, more power to her if she wants to have the kid and raise it anyway, but that's on her. Society doesn't make it easy, at all, for either parent to walk away. I don't know why either of you thinks it does? People just do it anyway...that's how little they wanted the child, or how incapable they are of supporting a child.
Trouble is, only one party in this little drama can do so legally, or unilaterally. I can't help but think that people might make smarter reproductive choices (you know..those 100 things?) if the system wasn't so punitive, and the punitive nature of the system probably has alot to do with why there's so much damned misery about it. We shame the sluts who get abortions..and we shame the deadbroke dads. We tell them both that they "should have thought about that". - and now, by god, we'll make them pay.
Maybe we ought to accept both of them at their word. They do not want or are not fit to raise a child - so now what.
Dude, get fucked to death. Seriously.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
